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AIBU for telling my son's dad he can have our son on Christmas Eve day but not Christmas morning.

110 replies

NattyRedWriter · 30/11/2025 13:37

So just to clarify before I start, me and my son's dad have a reasonably amicable relationship and have done since we split 5 years ago. We parted on mutual amicable terms and make arrangements for our son between us.

He sees our son about once a fortnight- through his choice- and I am happy to accommodate the days that work for him, because up until recently he was working weekends and didn't have set hours. As long as it doesn't affect our son's football matches for that weekend as this is our son's favourite thing and we both know this and wouldn't want his matches affected. I drop him off and pick DS up because he doesn't drive.

He doesn't pay maintenance but does pay for half of our son's clubs- as well as football our son does 2 other clubs and goes to afterschool clubs twice a week due to work commitments. He tends to pay this half way through the term which is slightly frustrating because I need to pay upfront at the start of the term but to be honest I know he'll pay eventually so I don't see the point in causing an issue for the sakes of a few weeks! He doesn't pay for maintenance/ food/ clothes etc but tbh I don't struggle and would rather just get on with it than create what could become an issue. It's a bit frustrating because he smokes a lot and goes out quite a lot but tbh I don't want the hassle!

He worked away for a bit abroad for 3-4 months at a time so doesn't have his own accommodation any more. He has lived between his parents and now his new girlfriends houses for the last 18 months. His parents aren't trusted around our son unsupervised so whilst our son goes there under his dad's supervision he wouldn't be left unsupervised or stay overnight there.

What I find quite frustrating is that he doesn't turn up to any football/ swimming/ school events for our son- even though up until a few weeks ago he was literally living 300m away from the leisure centre/ playing fields! Doesn't take our son to school, pick him up or take him to any club/matches and can't even be bothered to turn up to parents evening, despite currently not working. Doesn't help at all with arranging childcare for school holidays but rather tells me he only gets his rota weekly so doesn't know in advance- assuming I'll sort it!

I feel that it's his loss because he's missing out on seeing our son grow and do the things he loves but equally it's me that gets the frustration of our son when he's not turned up to something yet again!

Anyway my real frustration and the reason for this post is that today my son has gone to his dad's- he turned up 5 minutes before the end of his hour long football match to pick him up!- and then asked the arrangements for Christmas. For the last 3-4 years our son has seen his dad on Christmas eve day and I've picked him up in the evening and he's been with me Christmas Day. His dad is always welcome to pop round on Christmas Day if he wants and has done the last couple of years with his last girlfriend. It's always been quite pleasant and I felt good for our son to see his parents and step parents all get along together.

I assumed this would happen again this year and said to him this when he asked... he then replied yes I can have him xmas eve and I'll drop him over xmas morning/ after lunch. I swiftly said no to this! I felt quite frankly fuming that he has the audacity to think he can have our son at his new girlfriends house on Christmas morning when he doesn't both on any other morning of the year! I feel that I do everything for out son - which I'm not complaining about- but I do feel the least I deserve is to get xmas morning- the one day of the year to be able to share presents and be together and share the magic (he's 8 and already shared doubts about santa so I'm expecting this to be his last xmas believing) etc.

I can't help but feel really fuming but also AIBU for saying no to my son being at his dad's for Christmas morning when I do everything all year around and his dad just pops up when he feels like it?

OP posts:
Pearlmaster500 · 30/11/2025 17:02

Absolutely not I hate these dead beats that do fuck all all year round and then turn up on Christmas and birthdays with a pair of trainers and a tracksuit so they can take picture for socials. Defo just show for his new girlfriend.

I’m lucky I honestly couldn’t imagine my kids dad going more than a few days without seeing them!!

Do whatever you want to do. If I was you I’d say fuck off your not having him at all but I’m mean

Sounds like he’s been let get away with his half arsed parenting for too long OP!!

amispeakingintongues · 30/11/2025 17:05

Never mind Christmas. I can’t get passed the fact he doesn’t pay you maintenance. Why on earth are you worried about what a selfish neglectful fool of man wants?!

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/11/2025 17:05

Screamingabdabz · 30/11/2025 13:46

Say when he starts paying his share and acting like an equal parent, you’ll negotiate Christmas Day. Until then, a big fat no, with a fuck off cherry on top.

THIS. I cannot believe he's making so tiny a contribution to his son's upbringing.

Tontostitis · 30/11/2025 17:05

No, he'll no. He doesn't do any of the hard bits he doesn't get to pick the best bits.

Randomchat · 30/11/2025 17:10

I think I'd offer the dad to have him from Christmas Day at 12pm. You have Christmas Eve and the morning with him.
I'd worry that he would just refuse to hand him back on Christmas Eve.

I'm sorry op. He shouldn't get to turn up when it suits him and pick the best bits for himself. It's not fair.

I think swapping Christmas Eve and Day might be the least stressful option all round this year.

usedtobeaylis · 30/11/2025 17:12

Livelovebehappy · 30/11/2025 17:02

It depends on the child though. Some will feel absolutely torn by being put in the position of having to choose, and will find it stressful having to make a choice between parents.

Yep. I was about 8 when I was put in that position and it was horrible. I opted to stay with my mum and my brother went with my dad. My dad didn't return my brother when he was supposed to. It was horrible and to echo what I said earlier, he wasn't involved enough as a parent to have any right to do it. My mum was a dick also in a different way in that particular situation and ultimately neither of them should have put young children in that position. Its never, ever left me.

Lovetocook49 · 30/11/2025 17:31

He should pay maintenance? Its not exactly a hassle , its a phone call ? And as you said he has spare cash ! Also, maintenance is not linked to contact - the amount you get is - obs 😀

ButtonMoonMrsSpoon · 30/11/2025 17:35

Sorry but kids aren’t to be parceled up as rewards for parenting. He still has a relationship with both parents and he still does see his dad. What’s wrong with his dad having him for half the day. It’s his son too.
My exh barely gives me maintenance and I last received a payment 9 months ago, however I’m not going to be one of those mums who says oh no I do more than you so I get every Christmas Day. I look at it that my child will never be able to say to me I prevented her seeing her dad and it’s what makes her happy.
Last year my dd went to her dads Xmas eve, he returned her at lunchtime Xmas day, the most important thing was my dd was happy and got to spend some of Christmas Day with both of us. Me, I just had a lie in, a nice bath, got our dinner ready and looked forward to seeing her. We still had a lovely time together despite it being half the day.
Too many parents do this and it’s about their issues with their exes and not about what would make the kids happy.

usedtobeaylis · 30/11/2025 17:38

ButtonMoonMrsSpoon · 30/11/2025 17:35

Sorry but kids aren’t to be parceled up as rewards for parenting. He still has a relationship with both parents and he still does see his dad. What’s wrong with his dad having him for half the day. It’s his son too.
My exh barely gives me maintenance and I last received a payment 9 months ago, however I’m not going to be one of those mums who says oh no I do more than you so I get every Christmas Day. I look at it that my child will never be able to say to me I prevented her seeing her dad and it’s what makes her happy.
Last year my dd went to her dads Xmas eve, he returned her at lunchtime Xmas day, the most important thing was my dd was happy and got to spend some of Christmas Day with both of us. Me, I just had a lie in, a nice bath, got our dinner ready and looked forward to seeing her. We still had a lovely time together despite it being half the day.
Too many parents do this and it’s about their issues with their exes and not about what would make the kids happy.

What is the relevance of what you done? The OP hasn't prevented her son from seeing his dad at any point. They don't have a relationship where he goes to him at Christmas. The dad is using the child and that's not on.

ThisCyanPoet · 30/11/2025 17:40

It depends on how it’s framed. If you’re dropping tons of hints that guilt them into a particular decision then it’s not the same as letting them actually be honest.

My DC are comfortable enough to be honest, it’s always been drummed in that if they are happy then I am happy and that grown ups manage their own feelings. Neither parent is alone on Xmas day, we both have families and will fit celebrating around what they want. Never had a big sit down conversation about it with pressure on, just a passing comment of have a think and let me know.

Anyone withholding contact based on child maintenance is not putting the child first IMO. My ex never paid properly, but that is not DCs problem or something they should even know about. If DC want the contact, they should absolutely have it.

Vivi0 · 30/11/2025 17:42

Too many parents do this and it’s about their issues with their exes and not about what would make the kids happy.

@ButtonMoonMrsSpoon Completely disagree.

What would make the kids happy is having a father who wants to be involved in their life, makes the effort to do so and actually shows up for them.

Allowing your child to chase after a parent like the one the OP has described does nothing but set them up for a lifetime of heartache and disappointment when they finally get to see for themselves how disinterested the other parent is.

viques · 30/11/2025 17:45

Alittlefrustrated · 30/11/2025 16:19

Is this a new girlfriend that ex is trying to impress, or the gF who visited last year?

I wondered this. I am seeing insta pictures of the “ my little family on Christmas Morning”, with all her friends telling her how amazing she is…….

Owly11 · 30/11/2025 17:46

These are all separate issues. It sounds like you have made an implicit agreement (not involving your ex) that you will do everything and therefore be in control. But it doesn't work like that. He should pay maintenance and do more and you should share xmas fairly. Ask your son what he wants.

Carycach4 · 30/11/2025 17:49

What does your son want?

NigelForage · 30/11/2025 17:54

Number one. He should pay proper maintenance.

Number two having him for Christmas seems reasonable because he hasn't for many years.
Number three don't link the sport thing to Christmas

U0KHun · 30/11/2025 17:56

When he pays maintenance, he gets to have a day.
Why do you let him get away with it? Oh this, oh that! He's a deadbeat dad! If there were no clubs to pay for, he wouldn't pay anything!

NigelForage · 30/11/2025 17:59

U0KHun · 30/11/2025 17:56

When he pays maintenance, he gets to have a day.
Why do you let him get away with it? Oh this, oh that! He's a deadbeat dad! If there were no clubs to pay for, he wouldn't pay anything!

Please don't link access to children to payments. That's not how the law works anyway.

Wynter25 · 30/11/2025 18:00

Cherrysoup · 30/11/2025 14:29

I’m going to assume your ds would rather wake up at home with all his stuff around him. Dead beat dad can shove off, frankly.

This

QuietLifeNoDrama · 30/11/2025 18:07

TidyDancer · 30/11/2025 13:41

What does your DS want? I would start with this when trying to figure out what’s best rather than what you feel you both deserve.

This! I had to vote YABU because all of your post is about who deserves to spend xmas with your son based on what input they have the rest of the year. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be for you co parenting like this but you haven't actually mentioned what your son wants. I think you should ask him first and be prepared for things to change in the future as you DS gets older. Christmas has been your way for 5 years it’s unrealistic to expect it to stay that way forever.

Nowheretobeseen · 30/11/2025 18:16

As someone who was in a similar situation (as the child) ask your DS what he would like and maybe start there.

I do agree you should get the maintenance aspect sorted in the long term.

Coconutter24 · 30/11/2025 18:22

How old is your son? Is he old enough to ask what he would like to do?

Hedgehogbrown · 30/11/2025 18:24

SheWantsToBeMe · 30/11/2025 13:44

So what time on Christmas Day are you suggesting he sees son then?

Edited

She said he can pop round to her house any time. Deadbeat Dads don't automatically get to have their kids on Christmas Day. That would be a shit Christmas for a kid.

Hedgehogbrown · 30/11/2025 18:28

Everyone saying he deserves to see his son on Christmas day. Why? He is not a present to share around and validate people. He is a child and Christmas should be at home with his Mother who is his primary carer. How many of you saying YABU actually had to be away from your Mother on Christmas Day as a child? In the 80s and 90s we saw my Dad on boxing day and it was fine. Children are not there the validate deadbeat Dads.

Vivi0 · 30/11/2025 18:34

Hedgehogbrown · 30/11/2025 18:28

Everyone saying he deserves to see his son on Christmas day. Why? He is not a present to share around and validate people. He is a child and Christmas should be at home with his Mother who is his primary carer. How many of you saying YABU actually had to be away from your Mother on Christmas Day as a child? In the 80s and 90s we saw my Dad on boxing day and it was fine. Children are not there the validate deadbeat Dads.

The OP would also need to do the dropping off/picking up of her son to enable him to spend the time with his father because he doesn’t drive and doesn’t appear to be motivated enough/capable of organising this on his own.

lunar1 · 30/11/2025 18:41

Does he ever have over night on these visits? I doubt your son wants to spend Christmas even in a random bed

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