Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

To how its engaged with in the uk

How it is engaged with in the UK. What does that even mean??

You don't have to "follow certain religions" to be opposed to Israel's decades long ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and its more recent genocide in Gaza.

Its the 2025 approach to life sadly:
City council members chasing votes with some stupid suggestion rewriting history instead of ..you know...fixing one of the 00s of present day problems like people sleeping on the street
Generalised statements that begin with Irish people... like we are some homogenous group that can only have one thought or opinion.
The hypocrisy of media seeing the injustice of one thing and there being an outcry when simultaneously silent about exactly the same thing because its a "lesser" religion.

I agree it was a stupid suggestion OP but the publicity it got is an example of the hypocrisy that is now normal.

Because of things like this - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigation-launched-after-woman-spat-at-israeli-man-in-dublin-bar-incident/a191433495.html.
and this
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jewish-man-slapped-on-dublin-bus-accused-of-being-a-genocidal-jew/ar-AA1IWhHr

Generalised statements that begin with Irish people... like we are some homogenous group that can only have one thought or opinion.
Like the ones on this thread?

Hind Rajab Park is much more fitting

Yes, under siege alright

If the council had started by acknowledging the importance of the park having a name commemorating a significant Jewish figure, but asking was Chaim Herzog's legacy in Israel a good one, and suggested re-naming the park after Estella Solomons or Harry Kernoff or David Marcus it could have been a reasonable debate.

You think that Irish people are somehow less horrified by the Holocaust than British people, or that it's discussed less? That's bullshit.

I think it's less strongly registered in ppsyches. Less explored in the stories and culture people are exposed to. Fewer people will have come across Jewish people first hand whose family members were affected.

And I'm not sure why you'd say that's 'bullshit'. It's a direct result of a) having a much smaller Jewish population than the uk and b) having a very different experience of WW2.

Jewish friend in England 50 years ago told by a colleague that it was a shame Hitler didn't finish the job. Not all sunshine and roses in the UK even then.h Hu

Also the Royal Navy and Royal Air force. Not sure why the army is singled out.

I think Irish people are horrified by the Holocaust @TheKeatingFive. The Jewish community here is small, but the stories of the Holocaust have had a profound reach and impact. How could they not?
I think it’s very strongly registered in the Irish psyche of my generation anyway (middle-aged).

Both things are true. There is a tiny Jewish community in Ireland, several thousand - exact figures are really hard to come by but I would say 3000ish.

There is also a thriving synagogue but its about to move into a much tinier synagogue.

The number of reported antisemitic incidents is very high considering its such a small population.

I personally live in Ireland and have experienced very little antisemitism but I don't work or study with non-Jews in a non Jewish enviroment.

I'm not saying they're not horrified, I'm saying I see a difference between how it's been experienced and engaged with in Ireland compared to the uk.

You said "It's only recently that I've realised that a the WW2 dramas which referenced the holocaust, that I grew up with didn't get much air time in ROI. I guess because it was a bit embarrassing for the powers that be to comb over that period of history."

This has nothing to do with the size of the Jewish population. You're talking nonsense.

No I'm saying both things are relevant.

There hasn't been as much coverage as in UK within popular culture (for want of a better term). There is also the fact that fewer people will have come across Jewish people whose relatives were directly affected, because of the much smaller population of Jewish people in Ireland.

I really don’t get where you’re coming from @TheKeatingFive. My father and his teenage peers worked on British farms during the war alongside the land girls as most British men had been conscripted so it was very much something we were brought up knowing about. We also watched plenty of films about the war as did everyone who only had one RTÉ channel in the 70’s!

I agree that not as many people will have met people whose relatives were directly affected.

But your comment upthread saying that fewer WW dramas were aired in ROI because of ‘embarrassment’ is absolutely ridiculous.

You say you didn’t grow up in ROI.
I did.
There were war films aired all the time. Fewer channels though, only one available when I was young, a second introduced in 1978. (UK channels were being picked up too in parts of the country at that time, but not where I was.)
Is that what you mean?

Because, unfortunately, right now you’re misleading people. You seem to be imagining the psyche of a place you didn’t grow up in, which is a bit of a dangerous thing to do.

Ireland doesn't 'fight' for any under dog and never has. They expect other Countries to fight for justice and world security whilst they virtue signal and make gestures that have no impact or effect in the real world. Then critise those other countries who understand the complexity of securing peaceful outcomes after war. Irish people vandalise foreign jets at shannon airport to 'support' Palestine. But who do they think will be enforcing and ensuring the security of the Palastine State they so much desire and support, if it ever happens. They march to support some conceptual idea about just destroying the Jewish State to free Palastine and support it being run by brutal terrorists who terrorise their own people as much as their enemies, and the next day burn down accommodation housing families seeking International Protection in Ireland.
And they are not legally permitted to change the name without public consultation and the section of the Act that enacts the process hasn't been enacted yet. So the virtue sigling will have to wait. They didn't vote on it tonight, so it's not going to be changed as it stands.

Having lived in both UK and Ireland for over 25 years in each country I would agree with this. Ireland was neutral in WW2 and de Valera even sent condolences to the German State on the death of Hitler, so the experiences of each society were different and history is looked at differently. I don't think there was any deliberately suppression of war films though.

Some Irish people do different things to other Irish people. What an amazing revelation. Meanwhile everyone in the UK thinks with one mind, no disagreements about Brexit, everyone is supportive.of immigrants or hang on everyone wants all immigrants out. Gets a bit confusing.

You could have a look at Ireland's involvement in UN peacekeeping missions as diverse as Lebanon, been there for decades, Bosnia, Kosovo and so on.

You don't need to personally know someone whose relatives were part of a historical atrocity to be acutely aware of what that atrocity involved. That's just a ridiculous notion!