Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

Yes, I know he was criticised by some.

As the chief rabbi said even before the event 'President Higgins has neglected even to acknowledge the scourge of contemporary antisemitism in Iireland, let alone do anything to address it. He has failed to take seriously the concerns put to him by representatives of the Jewish community, and back in May he described talk of antisemitism in Ireland as a ‘PR exercise’. With that attitude I fear his address marking Holocaust Memorial Day will ring hollow for many Irish Jews”.

Jews who turned their back on him were thrown out.

After the event Simon Harris defended him.

It’s not just three people though is it? They are not random nutters - we’re talking about professors and councillors. We’re talking about people reading it and not objecting. We’re talking about the lack of censure - people minimising it and turning a blind eye .

Have you started a thread on it? That's what I queried. If you haven't I'm not spreading an untruth I am highlighting the disproportionate focus on Ireland.

I commented on pre-existing threads. I was new to MN at that stage and wasn’t ready to start my own thread. There was plenty of reference in the CITME boards to the celebrations in West London after October 7

Why should she start a thread? What on earth are you on about?

You don't see that that's worse? That he was elected after celebrating 7 October? That should have been an end to his career in public life.

Hear hear Sharon. Well played on finding evidence of what you've been saying all along, despite the desperate attempts to discredit you. Those attempts speak volumes. Semantics about phrases you've used with regards quantification, seems to be the new way of minimising antisemitism and haven't we seen MANY ways on this forum.

If you read my previous posts it would be clear what I was on about

Minimise minimise minimise. Jews ARE being victimised, harassed and pursued by MANY people, including those in power, whether formally or currently. Maybe it's time to jog memories of a certain minister, who quickly deleted his antisemitic tweet after Jewish kids were kicked off a flight. Let's also not forget the current chief constable of West Mids police, who's facing an inquisition over his handling of the Villa football match. Whether it's full on antisemitism or appeasing other communities, it's ALWAYS at the expense of Jews. Hmmmm...the BS on these threads is always off the scale.

Talking of ignorance ...

Touched a nerve did I? More semantics.

Well this turn took an unexpected turn. On the one hand so much concern for Ireland's reputation. On the other trashing Ireland's democractic structures and dismissing the significance of its publicly elected representatives in its capital City. Ok, very interesting. I always thought Ireland was quite a healthy democracy.

You only have to look at the Eurovision song contest for a preview of how hostile the feelings towards jews are, not to mention Glasto. As with all countries, there are good and bad eggs. It gets quite tedious when the I'm anti Zio phrase is used.

Thank you for acknowledging that Ireland needs to address the antisemitism highlighted by Rachel Moiselle.
The UK also has a significant problem as do most countries in Europe.

Yes - good and bad in all countries. But if the good people remain silent the racists and antisemites win.

Ireland is responsible for apportioning its own bias, as is any other country.

I don’t disagree with any of that. It must have been an upsetting experience.
Its wrong to make assumptions about anyone based on their race, colour etc

@Boolabus
@Boolabusdon’t disagree with any of that. It must have been an upsetting experience.
Meant to add-
The only thing I disagree with is your blaming Rachel for reporting the issue.
It’s the denial of the issue that has made it worse

No idea what those now deleted posts said but in answer to your query
I always thought Ireland was quite a healthy democracy
Ireland does rank quite high on the democracy indicators. We do though have a very centralised system of government and imo there does need to be more effort to devolve powers to more regional and local structures. As a result voter turn out for local elections tends to be quite low in comparison to general elections unless there's a particular local issue exercising people. It also means the calibre of some local councillors can be quite poor and inexperienced, many career politicians or more experienced professional candidates would use it as a platform to central government so can move on quite quickly.

I've been listening, very closely.

I'm sorry that you had a difficult experience abroad. Prejudice is always hurtful and upsetting and its always unfair when ordinary citizens are held responsible for the actions of their government. Those Israelis have probably experienced it time and time again themselves. Many Jews and Israelis are actively self censoring, hiding their identity and simply not going to places where they know they will be harassed.

None of that is the result of a PhD student whose written a few articles exaggerating the Irish state's active decision be be at the forefront of criticism of Israel though. We're all agreed now that Moisrlle's documentation of antisemitism in Ireland is broadly fair and accurate. Choices about foreign & domestic policy have been the Irish government's choice, and brought them to higher prominence. Whether its Higgins disgraceful behaviour, the Occupied territories bill, intervening in the ICJ case, being one of the last to adopt the IHRA definition, and one of the first to pull out of Eurovision (obvs not directly the governmebt in this case). People can't not criticise Irish policy, politicians and citizens because someone might, unjustifiably, be prejudiced against ordinary Irish citizens.

I think you will find overall it is Israel 'that has been put under the microscope more than any other nation on MN' over the past two + years.

As far as anti semitism is concerned the fact that the Irish Government had to step in over the proposed renaming of Herzog Park illustrated the concerns at high level about antisemitism in Ireland.