Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

Yes, that is correct, that is what he has said - well done!

Who in the Irish Jewish community are you talking to?

So why aren't you listening to him then?

Oh come off it. The President himself indulged in Holocaust inversion on HMD. I wonder why so many Jews in Ireland feel vulnerable.

I am.

No one on here was arguing that most Irish people were celebrating October 7th. The push back came because Rachel Moiselle claimed “many” were. I agree that is an ambiguous term . But there is evidence to support her claim because if people in the public eye are doing it without censure then we must assume others don’t object .

Three people writing things on Twitter. It's hardly people having a parade.

How did he do that? I live here and didn't see that.

As ever the obsessive oversentivity about criticism of Ireland seems more important than concern for the Irish community which undoubtedly and unequivocally has real concerns about antisemitism in Ireland from the very top, the President, to minor politicians to wider society.
Absolutely not true. Ireland has been put under the microscope more than any other nation on mumsnet so people get defensive, the focus is disproportionate and has a sniff of anti Irish about it, which coming from a UK platform hits a nerve. What is generally not happening is posters disagreeing there is a problem and acknowledging something needs to be done about it.

Google Ireland antisemitism and see how many articles and posts are out there on it more than anywhere else, is that deserved? Are we that much worse than anywhere else to warrant this massive international focus on our antisemitism problem?

Do your research then, it very widely available. If you are not aware of it it suggests you only have a passing interest in the subject so not really worth pursuing a conversation with you.

So you can't provide evidence, is what you mean.

Massive international focus!? Lol.

I mean @OpheliaIsntMad further back on the thread posted a video of people in her area actually celebrating Oct 7th but she doesn't seem at all concerned about that, didn't seem to warrant any thread on mumsnet. Weird

Yes Sharon international focus. Google it and see how many countries have done articles on it. Not sure why that's so funny.

Cut and paste:

Michael Higgins Holocaust Memorial Day

Then put it into google.

It’s okay to be concerned about how your country is represented or misrepresented on the world stage as well as being very concerned about tackling anti-semitism here. It is normal to worry about several things at once. You’re extrapolating from a discussion thread to say that the former is more important to people than the latter? Not at all fair. Meaning gets twisted on here.

Rachel’s words you posted upthread are indeed damning as @Boolabus said. There is clearly much work to do.

It's your argument. Why would I do the work for you? Either prove it or retract it.

Wow really. I wonder why there is no thread about it?

So we are actually taking seriously what Rachel has said now? Good.

Just to mention that most people I know did not support what President Higgins did that day. There is a time and a place and he very much spoke out of turn imho. He shouldn’t have accepted the invitation. So please don’t think he wasn’t criticised for that here.

If there are videos of UK people celebrating in the streets on Oct 7th, you'd think they'd be more worried about their own country tbh.

You obviously haven't listened to a thing people have said if you've only now come to that conclusion.

One thing that has really upset me about all of this hyper focus on Ireland is how it plays out in the real world. I wasn't going to share this story but I have decided I will. Me and family were on holiday in a European city over the summer. We were on a guided tour there was just two groups us and a group of adults. Tour guide breaking the ice asked us all where we were from. We said Ireland other group Israeli. They tutted turned away and said I'm sure you'll understand why we won't want to engage with you. We were so embarrassed and upset my teenage kids really embarrassed and thought they'd done something wrong. This is what happens when you smear a nation of people without context. I was sad for us but also sad for the Israelis that they felt we were that horrid a friendly chit chat on a guided tour was not possible. The super focus on Ireland and what is being said about Ireland and how Irish people are being portrayed and some of the exaggerated claims Rachel has made fuel an anti Irish rhetoric which has consequences. That is very different to most people's wish to address and bring to focus antisemitism in Ireland. Surely it's about building bridges and understanding not about pulling people further apart.

I am worried about the increase in antisemitism in the Uk. I think it’s horrific.

I have always taken what she said seriously. I support what she does, which I have said already here. You haven’t been listening if you think otherwise.

My only concern is that people outside Ireland can misunderstand when she says ‘many’ people celebrated Oct 7th, or things like ‘when Irish people came out to celebrate the horror’…

Statements like that, without clarification, can be and have been misunderstood to mean a nation celebrating. I think you know that too. I have always said I want clarity and accuracy and truth.

I’ve mentioned it in several other threads. So have many others . Don’t spread untruths about posters.