Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

She's getting a hard time, I suspect because she's touched a nerve.

Kneecap don’t represent the Uk . As you well know they reflect Irish views. Kneecap support of Hezbollah etc will not help to make Irish Jews feel safe.

Thanks for clarifying although I do believe that often muddies the waters.

It is not relevant whether she is in Ireland. We can read the Irish papers and we can form a view. ( just as you do about the UK and other countries)
The increase in anti Semitism in Ireland is a fact. It’s been documented.

They represent the catholic community in the repressed NI, the battle against the loyalist community. They identify as Irish within the 6 counties, yes, they have fans in the republic and England, America.

Thanks for those links.
The focus and criticism of Rachel Moiselle ( rather than the need to combat antisemitism) is making me realise Ireland has a bigger problem than I thought.
It’s not ( as Rachel say) the active anti semites, it’s the deniers and deflectors who are the problem. They are passive antisemites posing as virtuous.

And indeed the number of posters who have a view on Israel but don't actually live there.

Exactly. Hence why so many Jews in Ireland feel pretty desperate.

Absolutely this. Too many deniers.

No - I don’t think they do represent the Catholic community of NI. They don’t represent my family! They are vile terrorist supporters.
They do reflect a section of the population across Ireland who unthinkingly support armed resistance against “the apartheid state” of Israel. It is that section of the population where antisemitism has taken root and is in danger of growing.

I do support her. I think it’s great that she’s fighting against anti-semitism. I think she has made mistakes, probably due to her inexperience, and I don’t think it’s anti-semitic to point it out when journalists (even novice ones) make mistakes.

One of the mistakes she’s made is the ‘when Irish people came out to celebrate at the horrors of Oct 7th’ type reporting she’s associated with without adding the context that anti-semitism isn’t widespread in Ireland. People then draw their own (wrong) conclusions as we can see.

Im from an Irish Catholic background. Still practicing Catholic. Family in both north and south. Have an Irish passport, a house in Ireland and live in Ireland about 3 months every year. I will retire there soon.
I’m not “anti Irish” . I love Ireland and its people , culture and landscape.
Im horrified by the pushback against Rachel Moiselle on this thread. Rachel is NOT the issue here! She is just the messenger. Ignore her delivery if it’s hyperbolic and emotive - but look at the facts! Ireland has a growing problem with antisemitism. Stop deflecting and minimising or you are enabling the antisemites to grow and win.

Ok - well I think it’s time we moved in from her mistake and focused on the real issue.

Yes it is a fact. I don’t think anyone has denied that here though?

Whether @SharonEllis or anyone else is in Ireland or not is entirely relevant. If you are reading things out of context it is easier to form a distorted viewpoint. I would have no quibble with Rachel’s pieces if the only people reading them were in Ireland. They would be instructive then (as they are now to a large extent). However, she usually doesn’t write carefully enough to prevent people who don’t have the context (of knowing anti-semitism is low in Ireland overall) from forming erroneous views about the country. And it then seems hard to combat that belief no matter who says otherwise (Rachel herself, or the Chief Rabbi in Ireland as examples).

Okay. Cross-posted there. I agree with you on the original subject of the thread btw.

No, not literally. That is their brand, theme, trend, whatever you want to call it.
Anyway this thread is a waste of time as there’s no middle ground.

The Poster who resurrected this thread started off by throwing unsubstantiated allegations at Rachel Moiselle ( she is an agent of Israeli propaganda/ she “peddles lies” , her motives are murky, she’s not really Jewish, her “conversion” to Judaism is suspect)
When someone does that to someone who is campaigning against antisemitism- despite documented evidence of growing antisemitism in Ireland- it sets off alarm bells.

You’re right - there is no middle ground. You are either against antisemitism or not .

but look at the facts! Ireland has a growing problem with antisemitism. Stop deflecting and minimising or you are enabling the antisemites to grow and win.

Could you highlight where people have denied the facts and tried to minimise antisemitism? I haven't seen any, maybe read properly what people are saying, it is unfortunate that Rachel felt the need to exaggerate things and thus muddied her own message. That is on her not us.

The Irish people and Irish government take antisemitism very seriously and investigate incidents thoroughly and the Jewish community have very good access to the government and get listened to, so no I don't agree or accept that Irish people are enabling antisemitism, can you better demonstrate that claim? I have no doubt that the report on antisemitism being led by Chief Rabbi Yoni Wieder will be taken very seriously, if you know Ireland so well you will also know that we don't tend to hide away from serious debate or uncomfortable truths, action will definitely be taken.

You mentioned further back in the thread that you were aware that people in your area celebrated Oct 7th have you been as vocal about that online? have you started a thread on it? It is on your doorstep so I assume you have.

Or being accused of anti-Semitism when you’re not. Works both ways.
Have a good day.

I don't think it's acceptable to call me names because you disagree with me.

I’m afraid I do know Ireland well and I do know that hiding away from uncomfortable truths is exactly what many Irish do . ( it’s a human nature trait - not specific to Ireland)

You've used the tweets of two people AND reactions of people in London to cast aspersions on Irish people.

Oh give over Traybake.
You keep repeating the same nonsense.

No one has accused an individual of anti semitism. The rise is antisemitism in Ireland is well documented. The deflection and minimising on here is alarming.