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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:16

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:12

I just can’t seem to communicate with you in any other way because you twist everything.
You accused Moiselle of peddling lies and having “murky” motives. And then you expected other people to provide evidence that she wasn’t lying.
It’s incumbent on you to provide evidence that she has lied. You have failed to do that. 🥴

You could respond with words and evidence instead of emojis. Have you ever tried that?

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:17

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:09

I would agree with that. My issues are journalistic rigour. That is where all of the issues are stemming from.

I would hope that it's just a lack of care rather some deliberate action. What worries me and makes me think it could be more deliberate is that Rachel has been published in multiple outlets that regularly print outright genocide denial and glorification of the killing of Palestinian women and children. I did a post earlier that had evidence of this.

Come on now - this is a big change of tone. You said she was “peddling lies” and “her motives were “murky” and you very definitely implied that she was being used an agent of Israeli propaganda.
Where is your “journalistic rigour’ 😉😉

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OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:21

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:16

You could respond with words and evidence instead of emojis. Have you ever tried that?

I did try to use words earlier in my conversation with you but I’ve given up on rational discourse with you. Sorry 🤷‍♀️

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:26

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:13

”We don’t” ? What is it you don’t do?

We don't have more incidences of antisemitism. The line that you wrote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_by_country

This is the most recent version I could find of this survey. I'm looking for updated versions of this survey info, but it seems that it isn't public.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:28

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:17

Come on now - this is a big change of tone. You said she was “peddling lies” and “her motives were “murky” and you very definitely implied that she was being used an agent of Israeli propaganda.
Where is your “journalistic rigour’ 😉😉

It's exactly the same tone. I have literally referred back to previous evidence that I have posted!

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:28

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 18:21

I did try to use words earlier in my conversation with you but I’ve given up on rational discourse with you. Sorry 🤷‍♀️

Don't @ me again then.

You say this, then do your latest post saying that I've changed my position. Pick a lane.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 19:06

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SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 19:23

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:06

Oh my god. You're on the internet! Do some research! Support your opinions so that they're stronger arguments! It's so simple.

No, you're the one questioning Rachel Moiselle - you post your evidence. I am perfectly confident in what she has said.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 20:18

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 19:23

No, you're the one questioning Rachel Moiselle - you post your evidence. I am perfectly confident in what she has said.

I have posted loads. You've posted zero.

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 21:41

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 18:09

I would agree with that. My issues are journalistic rigour. That is where all of the issues are stemming from.

I would hope that it's just a lack of care rather some deliberate action. What worries me and makes me think it could be more deliberate is that Rachel has been published in multiple outlets that regularly print outright genocide denial and glorification of the killing of Palestinian women and children. I did a post earlier that had evidence of this.

I think it’s clear from her writing that she’s very young. I don’t mean to sound patronising (says the crone) but I see the same sort of thing in my own DC’s writing. Some of what she says isn’t considered or balanced and can end up misleading. Probably not on purpose, probably because she feels so passionate about this subject (she is right to!) and the young can be arrogant and assume everyone must know what they mean. So I agree it’s the lack of rigour that’s causing issues.

Sometimes she sounds a bit confused too in that she seems to contradict herself. Again, it’s probably due to a lack of clarity in how she expresses herself that gives this impression. I put it down to youth and inexperience.

For example this is from the Jewish Telegraph a year ago (10 Jan, 25) and it shows some apparent contradiction while also explaining her motivations.

“I care very much about the Jewish people, about combating antisemitism and it wasn’t even a conscious decision,” Rachel explained.
“I felt compelled to keep speaking out, and slowly but surely, I gained people who were listening.
“I don’t know why my voice in particular seems to have resonated with people, but I am happy that it has.”
Sadly, she has been the victim of “pile-ons” on social media, where many people send vitriolic abuse...
She said: “I am smeared all the time with false claims that I am a paid ‘hasbara’ (public relations voice for Israel).
“An Irish academic said recently that I was spreading hysterical propaganda.
“My accounts grew organically from my words and my opinions, not influenced by anyone and I have not been told to write anything by anyone.
“I formulate my own opinions and I put them out there. My only goal is that I am of help to the Jewish community.”

She then says

“Many Irish people have dehumanised Israelis to such an extent that they are celebrating a massacre.
“They’re celebrating the rape of women and the slaughter of children…”

“I’ve had direct messages on social media from well-known journalists, academics and historians, and they have been exceptionally aggressive and defensive.”

I mean, I wonder why?
“Many Irish people” sounds like a lot to me! I can understand people being defensive when she says things like this (although the agression is uncalled for obviously). This is what I mean by a lack of care. Is she referring to 1% of the population or 60% when she says ‘many’. It’s not surprising people will be defensive by what they feel are slanderous accusations, but she does seem surprised.

It actually seems perhaps it’s more akin to the former figure (?) because the article goes on to say:
Despite evidence to the contrary, Rachel believes that antisemitism is not widespread in Ireland — but denial of it is.
She explained: “This is the biggest problem”…“When denial is widespread, it makes it almost impossible to combat. If it wasn’t for the denial of antisemitism here, Ireland could be an excellent country for Jews to live in.”

So work to do, but there is hope it seems.

(It does appear her Jewish heritage is quite distant btw. She has been called out on it by an Irish presenter who has more recent Jewish heritage (a grandfather) and who took exception to how she was misrepresenting her heritage. There was quite the SM spat. The Moisels are mentioned in Joyce’s Ulysses so their history in Ireland had already been studied apparently. And her being Jewish or not shouldn’t matter a bit of course, except that she appeared to position herself as a member of the Irish Jewish community and as a spokesperson. Again a lack of clarity in her writing has caused her issues.)

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:05

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 21:41

I think it’s clear from her writing that she’s very young. I don’t mean to sound patronising (says the crone) but I see the same sort of thing in my own DC’s writing. Some of what she says isn’t considered or balanced and can end up misleading. Probably not on purpose, probably because she feels so passionate about this subject (she is right to!) and the young can be arrogant and assume everyone must know what they mean. So I agree it’s the lack of rigour that’s causing issues.

Sometimes she sounds a bit confused too in that she seems to contradict herself. Again, it’s probably due to a lack of clarity in how she expresses herself that gives this impression. I put it down to youth and inexperience.

For example this is from the Jewish Telegraph a year ago (10 Jan, 25) and it shows some apparent contradiction while also explaining her motivations.

“I care very much about the Jewish people, about combating antisemitism and it wasn’t even a conscious decision,” Rachel explained.
“I felt compelled to keep speaking out, and slowly but surely, I gained people who were listening.
“I don’t know why my voice in particular seems to have resonated with people, but I am happy that it has.”
Sadly, she has been the victim of “pile-ons” on social media, where many people send vitriolic abuse...
She said: “I am smeared all the time with false claims that I am a paid ‘hasbara’ (public relations voice for Israel).
“An Irish academic said recently that I was spreading hysterical propaganda.
“My accounts grew organically from my words and my opinions, not influenced by anyone and I have not been told to write anything by anyone.
“I formulate my own opinions and I put them out there. My only goal is that I am of help to the Jewish community.”

She then says

“Many Irish people have dehumanised Israelis to such an extent that they are celebrating a massacre.
“They’re celebrating the rape of women and the slaughter of children…”

“I’ve had direct messages on social media from well-known journalists, academics and historians, and they have been exceptionally aggressive and defensive.”

I mean, I wonder why?
“Many Irish people” sounds like a lot to me! I can understand people being defensive when she says things like this (although the agression is uncalled for obviously). This is what I mean by a lack of care. Is she referring to 1% of the population or 60% when she says ‘many’. It’s not surprising people will be defensive by what they feel are slanderous accusations, but she does seem surprised.

It actually seems perhaps it’s more akin to the former figure (?) because the article goes on to say:
Despite evidence to the contrary, Rachel believes that antisemitism is not widespread in Ireland — but denial of it is.
She explained: “This is the biggest problem”…“When denial is widespread, it makes it almost impossible to combat. If it wasn’t for the denial of antisemitism here, Ireland could be an excellent country for Jews to live in.”

So work to do, but there is hope it seems.

(It does appear her Jewish heritage is quite distant btw. She has been called out on it by an Irish presenter who has more recent Jewish heritage (a grandfather) and who took exception to how she was misrepresenting her heritage. There was quite the SM spat. The Moisels are mentioned in Joyce’s Ulysses so their history in Ireland had already been studied apparently. And her being Jewish or not shouldn’t matter a bit of course, except that she appeared to position herself as a member of the Irish Jewish community and as a spokesperson. Again a lack of clarity in her writing has caused her issues.)

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Good lord. She has Jewish heritage. She is undergoing conversion. She is very connected to the Irish Jewish community and in fact the wider diasporic community. How people have the nerve to deflect from and undermine what she is saying about Jewish experience by dissecting every word she has ever written, not to mention this oversensitivity to being called antisemitic. Its actually really easy to avoid being called antisemitic.

Boolabus · 08/01/2026 22:11

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:05

Good lord. She has Jewish heritage. She is undergoing conversion. She is very connected to the Irish Jewish community and in fact the wider diasporic community. How people have the nerve to deflect from and undermine what she is saying about Jewish experience by dissecting every word she has ever written, not to mention this oversensitivity to being called antisemitic. Its actually really easy to avoid being called antisemitic.

not to mention this oversensitivity to being called antisemitic

I think people are being over sensitive to claims like the one below. There is zero evidence that "many" Irish people have celebrated the rape of women and the slaughter of children that is slanderous and she deserves to be pulled up on it. If she wants to be the voice of something she needs to stick to facts and avoid hyperbole or she loses all credibility.

“Many Irish people have dehumanised Israelis to such an extent that they are celebrating a massacre.
“They’re celebrating the rape of women and the slaughter of children…”

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 22:11

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:05

Good lord. She has Jewish heritage. She is undergoing conversion. She is very connected to the Irish Jewish community and in fact the wider diasporic community. How people have the nerve to deflect from and undermine what she is saying about Jewish experience by dissecting every word she has ever written, not to mention this oversensitivity to being called antisemitic. Its actually really easy to avoid being called antisemitic.

"She has Jewish heritage".

She doesn't. The evidence has already been shared in this thread.

"She is undergoing conversion".

Wrong again. On Rachel's own Jan 1st tweet, she said she is still considering it.

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:28

Boolabus · 08/01/2026 22:11

not to mention this oversensitivity to being called antisemitic

I think people are being over sensitive to claims like the one below. There is zero evidence that "many" Irish people have celebrated the rape of women and the slaughter of children that is slanderous and she deserves to be pulled up on it. If she wants to be the voice of something she needs to stick to facts and avoid hyperbole or she loses all credibility.

“Many Irish people have dehumanised Israelis to such an extent that they are celebrating a massacre.
“They’re celebrating the rape of women and the slaughter of children…”

How can you possibly know that there is 'zero evidence' that 'many Irish people' celebrated 7 October. Many people in the UK did. Many people the world over celebrated. Why would Ireland, with its long history of pro-Pal activism not have contained many people supporting it?

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:33

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 22:11

"She has Jewish heritage".

She doesn't. The evidence has already been shared in this thread.

"She is undergoing conversion".

Wrong again. On Rachel's own Jan 1st tweet, she said she is still considering it.

Er no.

This is a screenshot of Rachel's tweet on 1 Jan. No considering about it.

As she says, stop obsessing about her identity. Its unhinged.

Is the renaming of Dublin’s  Herzog Park antisemitic?
OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 22:50

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:28

How can you possibly know that there is 'zero evidence' that 'many Irish people' celebrated 7 October. Many people in the UK did. Many people the world over celebrated. Why would Ireland, with its long history of pro-Pal activism not have contained many people supporting it?

Ireland is not the UK. We pride ourselves on being the opposite of the UK 😂For obvious reasons.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 22:51

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:33

Er no.

This is a screenshot of Rachel's tweet on 1 Jan. No considering about it.

As she says, stop obsessing about her identity. Its unhinged.

Ah you're right. I'll have to go back through her tweets again. There was another where she was talking more about it.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 23:05

So I found it, it was actually last December 2024 that she wrote about considering it. I've just been googling how long it takes to convert, so if she started last December when she posted that, she'd be about halfway through the process of converting.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 23:37

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 22:50

Ireland is not the UK. We pride ourselves on being the opposite of the UK 😂For obvious reasons.

I think you’re in denial. There are antisemites in Ireland - just like the UK and other European countries.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/

Chief Rabbi Yoni Wieder said he did not doubt the sincerity of those who protest against suffering in Gaza, but said anti-Israel sentiment has often spilled over into anti-Semitism. Photograph: Nick Bradshaw

Anti-Semitism report will detail ‘over 100 incidents of hatred’, chief rabbi says

Chief rabbi says ‘trend is clear’, though not every Jewish person in Ireland shares negative experience

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 23:43

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 23:37

I think you’re in denial. There are antisemites in Ireland - just like the UK and other European countries.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/

Thought you were done with me. It's only been three hours.

Where did I say there is zero Anti-Semitism in Ireland?

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 23:45

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 22:33

Er no.

This is a screenshot of Rachel's tweet on 1 Jan. No considering about it.

As she says, stop obsessing about her identity. Its unhinged.

Yes - it’s quite disturbing how this young woman is being vilified simply for speaking up for Jewish Irish citizens at a time of increasing anti semitism.
The deniers are the worst because they are enablers. Without the deniers- the small minority of “active” antisemites would not have the courage to act.
Im beginning to think the situation in Ireland is worse than I thought. The treatment of Rachel Moiselle coupled with the inability to accept criticism of Ireland is a red flag.

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OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 23:53

It seems some Irish people would like to shut Rachel Moiselle up.
Maybe the same sort of people who produce graffiti like this
https://combatantisemitism.org/cam-news/antisemitic-graffiti-featuring-swastikas-and-jew-rat-slur-found-on-irish-road-social-media-images-show/

Antisemitic Graffiti Featuring Nazi Swastikas, Stars of David, and 'Jew Rat' Slur Found on Irish Road, Social Media Images Show | Combat Antisemitism Movement

Antisemitic graffiti was scrawled on a rural roadway in County Louth, Ireland, in recent days, according to images and video shared on social media. The Antisemitic graffiti featuring a swastika and the words “Jew” and “Rat” was reportedly discovered o...

https://combatantisemitism.org/cam-news/antisemitic-graffiti-featuring-swastikas-and-jew-rat-slur-found-on-irish-road-social-media-images-show/

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OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 23:57

I would like to think the majority of Irish people would support attempts to expose and defeat antisemitism. It’s so depressing to read the deniers and deflectors flinging mud at a young woman who is courageously speaking up at a time when it’s very hard to do so.
I dont have her bravery. We’re all anonymous on here.

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LeftieRightsHoarder · 09/01/2026 00:48

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 17:22

The reasons most decidedly weren’t because he was Jewish!
Most Irish people thought the renaming very a bad idea at this time.

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Maybe I’m wrong, but the sources I found online say it was pro-Palestinian protesters who wanted his name removed because of Israel’s ongoing reaction to the 7 October massacre? Therefore (as he died decades ago) because he was a Jew?
Edited to add: My mistake to say the park was being renamed, as the renaming suggestion has been dropped.

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