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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:52

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:50

And your opinion doesn't diminish the antisemitism that Jewish people openly talk about.

You're dead right, especially since I am vehemently and vocally against anti-semitism.

My opinion literally supports the fight against it.

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:53

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 11:46

OMG you think Holocaust deniers are the same as those denying a genocide in Gaza? Shame on you.

There is absolutely NO comparison with SIX million Jews being systematically exterminated and 72K Palestinians dying in the past two + years.

I think the genocide of 6 million Jews and 500k Roma people is horrific. I think the genocide of at least 72k Palestinians is horrific. Don't you?

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 11:55

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:53

I think the genocide of 6 million Jews and 500k Roma people is horrific. I think the genocide of at least 72k Palestinians is horrific. Don't you?

All deaths in war are horrific but you don't cannot equate SIX MILLION systematically exterminated with either 500 k Roma nor 72 k Palestinians

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 11:59

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:53

I think the genocide of 6 million Jews and 500k Roma people is horrific. I think the genocide of at least 72k Palestinians is horrific. Don't you?

Personally, I find the industrialized slaughter of approx 6.6 million completely innocent civilians, targeted because of their ethnicity and not because of anything they or any of their leadership did quite a lot more horrific than the slaughter of 72 thousand civilians and terrorists, because of a war started by their own leadership.

Find it odd that anyone disagrees tbh.

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 12:03

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 11:55

All deaths in war are horrific but you don't cannot equate SIX MILLION systematically exterminated with either 500 k Roma nor 72 k Palestinians

Wow! Did you mean to say that out loud?

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:03

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 10:30

I dont think anyone thinks the antisemitic thugs are a majority, but a rising minority.
If you feel the rise is being blown out of proportion I'm interested in what caused you to assume this? Because unless you are Jewish yourself, living in a Jewish community over the period of time in question, I don't think you're in a position to judge this?

Rachel isn’t Jewish either it turns out.

I’m not the pp you were replying to, but I do absolutely think she should call out antisemitism wherever she sees it. However, I think it’s unfortunate that at times she misrepresents herself as part of the Jewish community. Probably because she feels so passionate as an ally, but it’s as well to be clear about things. Her voice is given more weight because she’s often assumed to be Jewish herself and to be speaking for her community.

I also think some of her articles or articles she is associated with give the impression that most Irish people are anti-semitic when they are not. The vast majority of Irish people were horrorstruck by the Oct 7 attacks. Statements like the following make it seem like Ireland celebrated, but that is not the truth.

When Irish people came out in celebration at the horrors committed on October 7th, Rachel, a PhD student from Dublin, stepped upto the plate.
(from a piece written by Jonny Gould and Rachel Moiselle on Substack).

I do think that Ireland has been targeted as anti-semitic because of their position on the war in Gaza. I do of course recognise there is anti-semitism here unfortunately and it has grown as it has worldwide recently. But the Irish people as a whole are not anti-semitic and did not celebrate the absolute horror of Oct 7th. I think Rachel needs to make that clearer even as she supports the Irish Jewish community.

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 12:17

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 12:03

Wow! Did you mean to say that out loud?

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What bit are you struggling with?

At a very basic level, if all human lives are equal, which is obviously a lot worse; 6,500,000 lives lost or 72,000 lives lost?

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:22

Please stop with the atrocity leagues. It’s horrible.

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 12:24

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 12:03

Wow! Did you mean to say that out loud?

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Yes.

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 12:26

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:22

Please stop with the atrocity leagues. It’s horrible.

I agree but when a poster uses the Holocaust to support her theories she needs to be called out.

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 12:28

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:22

Please stop with the atrocity leagues. It’s horrible.

Yes, sorry, I totally agree about atrocity leagues. It was the other poster that directly compared those who question whether Gaza is a genocide and Holocaust deniers though- I do believe that should be challenged- strongly.

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 12:40

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 12:26

I agree but when a poster uses the Holocaust to support her theories she needs to be called out.

Have you no shame. As if 'calling me out' warrants what you said. I have nothing more to say to you. I'm surprised Mumsnet allows this.

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 12:41

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 12:40

Have you no shame. As if 'calling me out' warrants what you said. I have nothing more to say to you. I'm surprised Mumsnet allows this.

🙄

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 12:41

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:41

Lollllllll. Oh come on. Now you're transparently trolling.

The OP said themselves that they said the wrong one! They meant the first, not the last.

You said that Rachel Moiselle was lying when she said people celebrating October 7th in Ireland. You asked for evidence that this was true.
Then ( ironically) you provided a link to the article she wrote which referenced several tweets from Trinity professors and students celebrating October 7th .
Im not sure you read the article properly.

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 12:45

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 12:41

You said that Rachel Moiselle was lying when she said people celebrating October 7th in Ireland. You asked for evidence that this was true.
Then ( ironically) you provided a link to the article she wrote which referenced several tweets from Trinity professors and students celebrating October 7th .
Im not sure you read the article properly.

The tweets were I referred to were not celebrating at all! They were voicing support for Palestinian self-determination, and I called them tone-deaf.

And the one that Rachel quoted as actually using celebratory language, I couldn't find. If you can find ones that actually celebrate, please post them.

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2026 12:47

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:31

Yes, she is. This was a response to someone about there being no genocide, not related to Rachel.

Calling the awful conflict between Israel and Gaza a genocide is just your personal opinion - not proven fact

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:49

@OpheliaIsntMad I think the impression is too often given that Irish people as a whole celebrated or made excuses. This was certainly not true. Ireland was appalled by Oct 7th.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 12:51

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 12:17

What bit are you struggling with?

At a very basic level, if all human lives are equal, which is obviously a lot worse; 6,500,000 lives lost or 72,000 lives lost?

I find it odd that anyone can take these atrocities and not consider all the deaths absolutely horrific.

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:54

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 12:45

The tweets were I referred to were not celebrating at all! They were voicing support for Palestinian self-determination, and I called them tone-deaf.

And the one that Rachel quoted as actually using celebratory language, I couldn't find. If you can find ones that actually celebrate, please post them.

Tone-deaf is being too kind I think.

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 12:58

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:49

@OpheliaIsntMad I think the impression is too often given that Irish people as a whole celebrated or made excuses. This was certainly not true. Ireland was appalled by Oct 7th.

That may well be the case but I can only go by DDs experience when her Irish bestie used the word genocide in her first message after 7 October, literally the day after the atrocity in Israel. This Irish person is a well known feminist author who DD studied with at TCD. It is not Sally Rooney but another well established writer. Hamas PR was alive and well from 7 October onwards. We were amazed that her (ex) bestie had fallen for it.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 12:59

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:54

Tone-deaf is being too kind I think.

Yes. I totally condemn those tweets tbh.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 13:04

DaisyDenise · 08/01/2026 12:49

@OpheliaIsntMad I think the impression is too often given that Irish people as a whole celebrated or made excuses. This was certainly not true. Ireland was appalled by Oct 7th.

No one has claimed Irish people as a whole celebrated.

Posters on here have denied there was any celebration by anyone at all ( they even accused Moiselle of lying about it )

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 13:05

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 13:04

No one has claimed Irish people as a whole celebrated.

Posters on here have denied there was any celebration by anyone at all ( they even accused Moiselle of lying about it )

But people have said a few times to you now that Irish people as a whole celebrating is EXACTLY what was implied.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 13:08

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 13:05

But people have said a few times to you now that Irish people as a whole celebrating is EXACTLY what was implied.

Where does Moiselle imply that Irish people “as a whole” celebrated October 7th?
Evidence please

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