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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:16

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:10

What? Can you please stop moving the goalposts? You asked me what my "beef" was with Rachel and I said that I have already explained it in great detail. Now you're taking a tangent off to something else.

I can give you my opinion about "feminist hypocrisy" if you like but please acknowledge that I have already spent a lot of time very carefully explaining my opinions on Rachel. And also I'm not rehashing it again just for your benefit because you won't go back and read it.

I've read the articles you posted. I think they are spot on actually. Im not getting entangled in posts with you because i don't agree with you, its as simple as that. @OpheliaIsntMad the bottom line is jews are fair game for boycotting and cancelling. However, the antisemitism hides behind hate and disgust for Israel. Fortunately, this bad idea has been put to bed, until the next bout to make Jews feel even more victimised.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:19

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:16

I've read the articles you posted. I think they are spot on actually. Im not getting entangled in posts with you because i don't agree with you, its as simple as that. @OpheliaIsntMad the bottom line is jews are fair game for boycotting and cancelling. However, the antisemitism hides behind hate and disgust for Israel. Fortunately, this bad idea has been put to bed, until the next bout to make Jews feel even more victimised.

I have posted a lot more than that! And literally posted the answers to the question that you asked. It's a page or two further back than you are willing to go. It's as simple as that, to quote you.

You're just not willing to make the effort to have an informed position. You don't want to get entangled with me, but you literally want me to get entangled with you by restating things that I have already said, just for your benefit because you don't want to read further back.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:19

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:53

People wanted evidence of Rachel being supported by news outlets that deny the Gaza genocide. Here you go.

Rachel:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/trinity-colleges-tolerance-of-antisemitism-is-a-betrayal-of-its-jewish-staff-and-students-s2ee21xx
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/how-october-7-exposed-irish-feminists-as-hypocrites-yq3r6pqi
Genocide denial:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/britain-knows-israel-isnt-committing-genocide-but-lets-the-lie-spread-anyhow-ds8n3mdh
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/the-gaza-genocide-libel-the-big-lie-to-delegitimise-israel-a49he9bg
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/the-genocide-scholars-associations-gaza-statement-twists-law-and-facts-kfod3oa4

Rachel:
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-seeing-israel-for-the-first-time-destroys-the-dehumanising-myths-that-dominate-in-ireland/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/irish-activist-warns-that-anti-zionism-has-become-her-countrys-new-religion/
Genocide denial:
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-real-genocide-lie-how-a-slur-against-israel-puts-all-jews-in-danger/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-false-claim-that-israel-is-committing-genocide-is-a-modern-blood-libel/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-when-the-law-of-genocide-loses-its-grip/

Rachel:
https://www.jerusalemjournal.com/p/inside-irelands-antisemitism-crisis
Genocide denial:
https://www.jerusalemjournal.com/p/gil-troy-a-nation-of-everyday-heroes

By the way, check out the first line of this one for the folks who say that Rachel doesn't make it a central part of her writing about her Jewishness:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/how-october-7-exposed-irish-feminists-as-hypocrites-yq3r6pqi

Thank you . Really interesting articles but disturbing.
I found the last article particularly interesting . I was horrified by the evidence that students and staff at the university did celebrate October 7th
“This sentiment was echoed by the President of the Student’s Union who wrote on X on 7/10: ‘Palestinians have a right to resist the brutal conditions imposed on them by the apartheid regime of Israel’. A fellow Trinity PhD student stated on X that it should be ‘celebrated and supported’, that ‘it is beautiful.’
This hatred amongst the student body has been acutely felt by many Jewish students.
TCD’s Chanukah event after 7/10 was described as an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience that Trinity refused to publicly promote, citing safety concerns. In February, an extremist figure was allowed to give a lecture in Trinity. Jewish students were sent the following: ‘College security are aware of the potential for trouble, but the event will be going ahead. Perhaps you should let Jewish students and staff know that it might be best for them to avoid the Art building between 6.00pm and 10.00pm’.
The hostility towards Jews at Trinity has been advertised to the world with the recent four-day encampment that contained explicitly antisemitic and pro-terrorist banners. In one notable example, there was a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) flag flown from the window of Trinity and two PFLP banners hung outside and inside the grounds. The PFLP is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation by the EU. Trinity’s response to these concerns? ‘We respect the strong stance expressed by those participating in the encampment’.
Trinity leadership claimed in their public statement on the encampment on the 6th of May: ‘We also continue to engage with our Jewish staff and students who are impacted’. Jewish students received no communication from Trinity leadership.

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:24

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:19

Thank you . Really interesting articles but disturbing.
I found the last article particularly interesting . I was horrified by the evidence that students and staff at the university did celebrate October 7th
“This sentiment was echoed by the President of the Student’s Union who wrote on X on 7/10: ‘Palestinians have a right to resist the brutal conditions imposed on them by the apartheid regime of Israel’. A fellow Trinity PhD student stated on X that it should be ‘celebrated and supported’, that ‘it is beautiful.’
This hatred amongst the student body has been acutely felt by many Jewish students.
TCD’s Chanukah event after 7/10 was described as an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience that Trinity refused to publicly promote, citing safety concerns. In February, an extremist figure was allowed to give a lecture in Trinity. Jewish students were sent the following: ‘College security are aware of the potential for trouble, but the event will be going ahead. Perhaps you should let Jewish students and staff know that it might be best for them to avoid the Art building between 6.00pm and 10.00pm’.
The hostility towards Jews at Trinity has been advertised to the world with the recent four-day encampment that contained explicitly antisemitic and pro-terrorist banners. In one notable example, there was a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) flag flown from the window of Trinity and two PFLP banners hung outside and inside the grounds. The PFLP is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation by the EU. Trinity’s response to these concerns? ‘We respect the strong stance expressed by those participating in the encampment’.
Trinity leadership claimed in their public statement on the encampment on the 6th of May: ‘We also continue to engage with our Jewish staff and students who are impacted’. Jewish students received no communication from Trinity leadership.

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Which article was that? I'm looking at the last one and I don't see those quotes.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:26

Rachel is writing about antisemitism in Ireland - not about whether there is a genocide in Gaza. Her articles are excellent. Thank you

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 11:26

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:04

I'd like to take the opportunity again to say how vehemently and vocally I am against antisemitism in real life.

I would imagine there are some people here who think I'm not and it's colouring how they respond to me.

It's probably been lost in the rush of posts here, but I have actually been to Israel and I have close Israeli friends. I am pro-jewish but anti-genocide and also anti lying about the Irish people.

I am pro-jewish but anti-genocide.
100% I believe that is how the majority feel.
also anti lying about the Irish people
This too. I am sure that Jewish people have been abused but as noted by a previous poster, the Jewish people have had positive ties to Ireland for centuries.
There is a minority who hate everyone.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:28

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:24

Which article was that? I'm looking at the last one and I don't see those quotes.

Sorry - it’s the first article!
Read half way down from ..
“On the morning of 7/10, as the massacre of civilians and children was still ongoing, a Trinity professor wrote on X: ‘Nothing lasts forever. Solidarity and strength to those who demand to be free’. “

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:31

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:26

Rachel is writing about antisemitism in Ireland - not about whether there is a genocide in Gaza. Her articles are excellent. Thank you

Yes, she is. This was a response to someone about there being no genocide, not related to Rachel.

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:31

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:28

Sorry - it’s the first article!
Read half way down from ..
“On the morning of 7/10, as the massacre of civilians and children was still ongoing, a Trinity professor wrote on X: ‘Nothing lasts forever. Solidarity and strength to those who demand to be free’. “

And where is the evidence of celebration of 7th October? You seem to have omitted that.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:33

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:31

And where is the evidence of celebration of 7th October? You seem to have omitted that.

You don’t think those tweets are celebrating!!!

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Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:35

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 11:33

You don’t think those tweets are celebrating!!!

There seems to be some major gaslighting going on here. Jewish people are imagining things. Some are more concerned with pushing the genocide narrative.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:35

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:24

Which article was that? I'm looking at the last one and I don't see those quotes.

So you haven't read your own links?

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:39

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:35

There seems to be some major gaslighting going on here. Jewish people are imagining things. Some are more concerned with pushing the genocide narrative.

The genocide narrative? Is that when people call a genocide a genocide? Like the UN, for instance?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:40

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:31

Yes, she is. This was a response to someone about there being no genocide, not related to Rachel.

Gotcha. I found the actual tweets. I agree with Rachel, can't excuse the tone deafness of this guy at all, especially as a staff member of an organisation where there may have been Israelis students.

As for this part, I can't verify any of it unfortunately. It's all too vague.

"TCD’s Chanukah event after 7/10 was described as an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience that Trinity refused to publicly promote, citing safety concerns. In February, an extremist figure was allowed to give a lecture in Trinity. Jewish students were sent the following: ‘College security are aware of the potential for trouble, but the event will be going ahead. Perhaps you should let Jewish students and staff know that it might be best for them to avoid the Art building between 6.00pm and 10.00pm’."

There are other parts that are pure conflation though. Being anti-Israel or pro-BDS is not anti-Jewish. No more than being anti-Apartheid was being anti South African.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:40

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:39

The genocide narrative? Is that when people call a genocide a genocide? Like the UN, for instance?

Yes genocide narrative. Some believe there is one, some don't. I don't.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:41

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:35

So you haven't read your own links?

Lollllllll. Oh come on. Now you're transparently trolling.

The OP said themselves that they said the wrong one! They meant the first, not the last.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:43

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:40

Yes genocide narrative. Some believe there is one, some don't. I don't.

"Some" being genocide experts worldwide and reputable international institutions.

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:44

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:40

Yes genocide narrative. Some believe there is one, some don't. I don't.

Then my feelings about your stance are the same as the feelings I have towards holocaust deniers. It's despicable.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:44

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:43

"Some" being genocide experts worldwide and reputable international institutions.

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Not experts in my opinion. This is turning into the same rhetoric that's posted in CITME. I'm not exhausting myself any further.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:46

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:44

Then my feelings about your stance are the same as the feelings I have towards holocaust deniers. It's despicable.

I think you need to be very careful here. The two aren't comparable. The infamous holocaust is well documented, established and weaponised.

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 11:46

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:44

Then my feelings about your stance are the same as the feelings I have towards holocaust deniers. It's despicable.

OMG you think Holocaust deniers are the same as those denying a genocide in Gaza? Shame on you.

There is absolutely NO comparison with SIX million Jews being systematically exterminated and 72K Palestinians dying in the past two + years.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:48

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Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:49

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 11:46

OMG you think Holocaust deniers are the same as those denying a genocide in Gaza? Shame on you.

There is absolutely NO comparison with SIX million Jews being systematically exterminated and 72K Palestinians dying in the past two + years.

Almost bordering on holocaust inversion. Really sick of seeing this shit.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:50

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And your opinion doesn't diminish the antisemitism that Jewish people openly talk about.

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 11:51

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 11:44

Then my feelings about your stance are the same as the feelings I have towards holocaust deniers. It's despicable.

Knew it was only a matter of time til the Holocaust Inverters showed up... so depressingly predictable 🙄

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