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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:19

@EmeraldShamrock000Can you answer the question from earlier?

You said ” I am not denying that there is antisemitism but I don’t think it is as prevalent as the media and a few government officials think.”

Have you gathered evidence on this ? Or are you just telling us what you “think” based on your “non-Jewish” experience?

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 10:20

dairydebris · 08/01/2026 10:14

On what basis are you claiming the rise in antisemitism is being blown out of proportion?

Jewish people have faced incidents in Ireland from a certain section of society, on a whole the Jewish community are respected and treated as neighbours like everyone else.
There are thugs who like to hurt minorities. They are not the majority.

He acknowledged that “anti-Semitism is not the experience of every Jewish person in Ireland ” and added that “incidents to date have been non-physical, and we are happy about that”.
“But the effects are very real,” he said. “particularly following attacks [on Jewish people] in New York, the killing of two Jewish people at a synagogue in Manchester last October, and now Sydney. Maybe it will not stay like that and no one can guarantee things will not turn violent here too”.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 10:21

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:19

@EmeraldShamrock000Can you answer the question from earlier?

You said ” I am not denying that there is antisemitism but I don’t think it is as prevalent as the media and a few government officials think.”

Have you gathered evidence on this ? Or are you just telling us what you “think” based on your “non-Jewish” experience?

Jews are used to being told nothing to see here. It's the only form of racism that's acceptable.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:21

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 04:28

Its not hard evidence at all. Its an unsubstantiated slur obviously motivated by political malice.

It's census records and birth certificates!! Based on information that Rachel herself has repeatedly provided! How can you call that "not hard evidence"??

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:22

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Ok. You like hard evidence a lot. Let's have some hard evidence of those people celebrating.

Come on now. Hold yourself to the same standard that you are demanding of others.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 10:25

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:19

@EmeraldShamrock000Can you answer the question from earlier?

You said ” I am not denying that there is antisemitism but I don’t think it is as prevalent as the media and a few government officials think.”

Have you gathered evidence on this ? Or are you just telling us what you “think” based on your “non-Jewish” experience?

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/
I have done and it’s terrible. I hope the doctor from Lebanon in the maternity hospital was sacked. If I see it I’ll be sure to call it out.
I am defending the Irish people not condemning the Jewish people and most Irish people are good who don’t tolerate racism or antisemitism. There is a lot of far right after everyone at the moment.

Chief Rabbi Yoni Wieder said he did not doubt the sincerity of those who protest against suffering in Gaza, but said anti-Israel sentiment has often spilled over into anti-Semitism. Photograph: Nick Bradshaw

Anti-Semitism report will detail ‘over 100 incidents of hatred’, chief rabbi says

Chief rabbi says ‘trend is clear’, though not every Jewish person in Ireland shares negative experience

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:25

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 04:37

Yes, we see where you're coming from on this. So much for facts over feelings!

Wait, are you saying that you don't believe there is a genocide happening?

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 10:26

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:22

Ok. You like hard evidence a lot. Let's have some hard evidence of those people celebrating.

Come on now. Hold yourself to the same standard that you are demanding of others.

She said she wouldn't be surprised if there were certain people celebrating. Neither would I. No evidence needed for gut feeling, developed by some posts on MN. I'm notvreferring to your posts BTW. I've read other threads where minimising 7th October could be interpreted as acceptance of its atrocity.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:27

SharonEllis · 08/01/2026 04:42

But she's gotten into this position of prominence, in no small part due to being supported by Israeli media.
How exactly does 'Israeli media' (independent, and much of it critical of the Netanyahu government) help Rachel get an article published in the Irish Times? @OneGladPinkTraybake

This is a question in bad faith. That support by the Israeli media massively elevated her profile and puts her in a position where it looks like she can represent the voice of Israel in Ireland. Of course it makes it easier for an Irish media outlet to turn to her when she's so massively prominent. Are you serious?

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:27

EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 10:25

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/12/15/comprehensive-report-on-anti-semitic-incidents-in-ireland-being-prepared-by-jewish-body/
I have done and it’s terrible. I hope the doctor from Lebanon in the maternity hospital was sacked. If I see it I’ll be sure to call it out.
I am defending the Irish people not condemning the Jewish people and most Irish people are good who don’t tolerate racism or antisemitism. There is a lot of far right after everyone at the moment.

You said antisemitism was not as prevalent as reported. I am glad you’re acknowledging it is a growing problem in Ireland

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dairydebris · 08/01/2026 10:30

EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 10:20

Jewish people have faced incidents in Ireland from a certain section of society, on a whole the Jewish community are respected and treated as neighbours like everyone else.
There are thugs who like to hurt minorities. They are not the majority.

He acknowledged that “anti-Semitism is not the experience of every Jewish person in Ireland ” and added that “incidents to date have been non-physical, and we are happy about that”.
“But the effects are very real,” he said. “particularly following attacks [on Jewish people] in New York, the killing of two Jewish people at a synagogue in Manchester last October, and now Sydney. Maybe it will not stay like that and no one can guarantee things will not turn violent here too”.

I dont think anyone thinks the antisemitic thugs are a majority, but a rising minority.
If you feel the rise is being blown out of proportion I'm interested in what caused you to assume this? Because unless you are Jewish yourself, living in a Jewish community over the period of time in question, I don't think you're in a position to judge this?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:36

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 09:31

HOWEVER... Rachel peddles lies. She's on the level of Gript. But she's gotten into this position of prominence, in no small part due to being supported by Israeli media. The same Israeli media who also regularly peddle horrendous lies. That's what I have an issue with.”

She “peddles lies” because she is “supported by Israeli media” ..? You have provided no evidence to support this claim . Your objection to Rachel appears to be rooted in your antipathy to anyone with a supposed connection to Israel. You haven’t provided any evidence that she is lying about antisemitism in Ireland but you still want to discredit her simply because of a supposed connection to Israel.

“There is a genocide occuring in Gaza. There is also a propaganda war occurring to obfuscate that AND discredit people who stand against it. “

And there we have it … you are conflating Moiselle’s attempts to combat antisemitism in Ireland with a “propaganda war” to obfuscate the truth about Gaza. Moiselle’s focus is Irish antisemitism- NOT Gaza - but you are trying to discredit her anyway.

.As I previously posted, she has outright lied in her content, such as claiming that Irish people were out celebrating in the street on Oct 7th.
Anti-Semitism is wrong and unacceptable. I will not stand for it. But I also cannot stand for someone with a platform pushing outright lies about Ireland and the Irish people.”

Where I live in London people were out celebrating October 7th. I don’t find it impossible to believe that this also happened in Ireland bearing in mind some of the graffiti/ incidents that have since been reported. I would like you to provide evidence of any “outright lies about Ireland and the Irish people”

What? I literally posted an article where Rachel said Irish people were celebrating in the streets on Oct 7th. That's evidence!

"And there we have it" lol. There's no need to put propaganda war in inverted comments. It's very real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PropagandaandpsychologicalwarfareintheGazaWars
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/israel-spending-millions-on-online-ad-campaigns-to-deny-gaza-famine-report/3689634#
https://news.sky.com/story/defiant-netanyahu-sets-out-plan-for-military-escalation-in-gaza-and-describes-photographs-of-starving-babies-as-fake-news-13409910
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241203-the-gaza-genocide-and-the-limits-of-israeli-propaganda/
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/07/01/anatomy-of-an-israeli-disinformation-campaign66763494.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/20/israel-to-fund-tour-for-maga-and-pro-trump-influencers-report
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers/
https://www.cjr.org/feature/israel-influencer-embed-gaza-reporting-livestreaming-access-content-creators-eitan-fischberger.php

"Where I live in London", well there's your problem lol. London is not Ireland. Maybe you can provide the Irish evidence that Rachel refuses to provide?

And why are you commenting with such authority on this when you don't even live here?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:39

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:05

The fact that (people in Ireland/ you) aren’t interested in the increase in antisemitism doesn’t mean it should be ignored and denied.
The fact that Muslims are also coming under attack doesn’t make the situation better…
The fact that there is increasing evidence of hate attacks on Muslims should also be addressed.

You accuse people of conflating things, and then you go and twist this person's posts into "not interested in the increase in antisemitism".

Go look in a mirror.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:42

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 10:26

She said she wouldn't be surprised if there were certain people celebrating. Neither would I. No evidence needed for gut feeling, developed by some posts on MN. I'm notvreferring to your posts BTW. I've read other threads where minimising 7th October could be interpreted as acceptance of its atrocity.

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Sorry, but you are not following these posts closely enough. The issue is that Rachel wrote in a news article that people in Ireland were. I have asked for evidence, this person said "They wouldn't be surprised" which is not evidence.

This same person is also demanding evidence from other people. It's a double standard, do as I say not do as I do.

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 10:44

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:25

Wait, are you saying that you don't believe there is a genocide happening?

The word 'genocide' was being used immediately post 7 October by a very close Irish friend of DD who she studied alongside at TCD some years ago. Said (now ex) friend is an established successful writer and wrote to DD using the word, although she later apologised. I a sure said friend was far from unique in drinking the Hamas PR Koolaid. 'Genocide' has been bandied about ever since. And don't @ me about the UN etc. They are far from unbiased.

There are always civilian casualties in a war, especially when there is nowhere for them to go to avoid the bombs. Hamas used the millions of $$$ meant for Palestinians, to build the copious tunnels, buy rockets and armaments and feather their own nests away from Gaza instead of protecting the people they were elected to represent.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:48

EmeraldShamrock000 · 08/01/2026 09:48

The fact that you were not aware that antisemitism is becoming a much bigger problem in Ireland shows that Moiselle’s campaign is important.
No it doesn’t, it means people are not interested.

Whatever you “opinion” the reality is that there is a much bigger Muslim community in Ireland. The Jewish community is much smaller and is facing increased abuse.
Oh I’m very much aware of that, as I said the large and expanding Muslim community in Ireland is the biggest bone of contention between the angry Irish, not hate towards the Jewish community, who are a minority.
I only know of one Jewish child, a young lad in my daughter’s class in an educate together school and he is her friend.
There is protests outside schools over the culture change in accommodations made for the Muslim community, nativity play, school lunch menu, etc.
i would feel unsafe as a Muslim in Ireland.

I’d also like to point out there are substantial differences between the Jewish and Muslim communities in Ireland.
The Jewish community in Ireland is much smaller but also much older and more well established. They often can speak Irish, have an Irish accent (obviously) and are comfortable with Irish culture. The reason they are experiencing higher levels of abuse is to do with the war in Gaza - a situation they are not responsible for and have no control over.

The abuse received by the more newly arrived and immigrant communities is also terrible- but it comes from a different cause -there are some genuine concerns about housing/ welfare/ crime but these are being exploited and amplified by racists .

Any Form of racial abuse is abhorrent and I’m not saying one type is worse . I am saying that the Jewish community is not newly arrived in Ireland… but the level of abuse they are facing IS new .

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 10:53

People wanted evidence of Rachel being supported by news outlets that deny the Gaza genocide. Here you go.

Rachel:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/trinity-colleges-tolerance-of-antisemitism-is-a-betrayal-of-its-jewish-staff-and-students-s2ee21xx
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/how-october-7-exposed-irish-feminists-as-hypocrites-yq3r6pqi
Genocide denial:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/britain-knows-israel-isnt-committing-genocide-but-lets-the-lie-spread-anyhow-ds8n3mdh
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/the-gaza-genocide-libel-the-big-lie-to-delegitimise-israel-a49he9bg
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/the-genocide-scholars-associations-gaza-statement-twists-law-and-facts-kfod3oa4

Rachel:
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-seeing-israel-for-the-first-time-destroys-the-dehumanising-myths-that-dominate-in-ireland/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/irish-activist-warns-that-anti-zionism-has-become-her-countrys-new-religion/
Genocide denial:
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-real-genocide-lie-how-a-slur-against-israel-puts-all-jews-in-danger/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-false-claim-that-israel-is-committing-genocide-is-a-modern-blood-libel/
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-when-the-law-of-genocide-loses-its-grip/

Rachel:
https://www.jerusalemjournal.com/p/inside-irelands-antisemitism-crisis
Genocide denial:
https://www.jerusalemjournal.com/p/gil-troy-a-nation-of-everyday-heroes

By the way, check out the first line of this one for the folks who say that Rachel doesn't make it a central part of her writing about her Jewishness:
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/how-october-7-exposed-irish-feminists-as-hypocrites-yq3r6pqi

Trinity College’s tolerance of antisemitism is a betrayal of its Jewish staff and students - The Jewish Chronicle

How Ireland’s best university showed that Jews don’t count

https://www.thejc.com/opinion/trinity-colleges-tolerance-of-antisemitism-is-a-betrayal-of-its-jewish-staff-and-students-s2ee21xx

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 10:57

@OneGladPinkTraybake what is your beef with Rachel, other than she thinks differently to you?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:00

HappyFace2025 · 08/01/2026 10:44

The word 'genocide' was being used immediately post 7 October by a very close Irish friend of DD who she studied alongside at TCD some years ago. Said (now ex) friend is an established successful writer and wrote to DD using the word, although she later apologised. I a sure said friend was far from unique in drinking the Hamas PR Koolaid. 'Genocide' has been bandied about ever since. And don't @ me about the UN etc. They are far from unbiased.

There are always civilian casualties in a war, especially when there is nowhere for them to go to avoid the bombs. Hamas used the millions of $$$ meant for Palestinians, to build the copious tunnels, buy rockets and armaments and feather their own nests away from Gaza instead of protecting the people they were elected to represent.

Don't @ you with evidence, you mean?
And in what way are the UN biased?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/07/gaza-evidence-points-to-israels-continued-use-of-starvation-to-inflict-genocide-against-palestinians/
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/un-commission-of-inquiry-report-israel-gaza-legal-analysis-genocide-accusation
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Do you call 72k casualties including 20k dead children acceptable?
70% of the dead being women and children?
This is not me giving Hamas number, by the the way.
It's verified from multiple sources.

And - Israel built those tunnels that they were so vocally targeting during their last occupation of the region. That's how they know where they are.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/20/exp-amanpour-israel-gaza-ehud-barak-fst11201pseg1-cnni-world.cnn

‘Direct evidence of genocidal intent’: the UN commission of inquiry’s report on Israel’s actions in Gaza

Legal analysis has accused Israel of committing genocide in four out of five categories as defined by 1948 convention

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/un-commission-of-inquiry-report-israel-gaza-legal-analysis-genocide-accusation

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:01

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 10:57

@OneGladPinkTraybake what is your beef with Rachel, other than she thinks differently to you?

Ah stop now. You're asking me to rewrite lengthy posts that I've already written, just for your benefit? Please just take the time and make the effort to read what I've written. It's not fair or sensible to ask me to restate my position that I spent a lot of time writing the first time around.

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:03

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:01

Ah stop now. You're asking me to rewrite lengthy posts that I've already written, just for your benefit? Please just take the time and make the effort to read what I've written. It's not fair or sensible to ask me to restate my position that I spent a lot of time writing the first time around.

No, I'm also disagreeing with you on your Gaza stance. You can write as many lengthy posts as you want, it doesn't make you right.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:04

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/01/2026 10:48

I’d also like to point out there are substantial differences between the Jewish and Muslim communities in Ireland.
The Jewish community in Ireland is much smaller but also much older and more well established. They often can speak Irish, have an Irish accent (obviously) and are comfortable with Irish culture. The reason they are experiencing higher levels of abuse is to do with the war in Gaza - a situation they are not responsible for and have no control over.

The abuse received by the more newly arrived and immigrant communities is also terrible- but it comes from a different cause -there are some genuine concerns about housing/ welfare/ crime but these are being exploited and amplified by racists .

Any Form of racial abuse is abhorrent and I’m not saying one type is worse . I am saying that the Jewish community is not newly arrived in Ireland… but the level of abuse they are facing IS new .

I'd like to take the opportunity again to say how vehemently and vocally I am against antisemitism in real life.

I would imagine there are some people here who think I'm not and it's colouring how they respond to me.

It's probably been lost in the rush of posts here, but I have actually been to Israel and I have close Israeli friends. I am pro-jewish but anti-genocide and also anti lying about the Irish people.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:05

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:03

No, I'm also disagreeing with you on your Gaza stance. You can write as many lengthy posts as you want, it doesn't make you right.

But you're literally asking to explain for you alone what I have already explained!

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:08

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:05

But you're literally asking to explain for you alone what I have already explained!

So you don't agree with her regarding feminist hypocrisy. The rest of the stuff you've posted is just articles going against your stance. Jewish people know how they are being made to feel and by whom.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 08/01/2026 11:10

Kingscallops · 08/01/2026 11:08

So you don't agree with her regarding feminist hypocrisy. The rest of the stuff you've posted is just articles going against your stance. Jewish people know how they are being made to feel and by whom.

What? Can you please stop moving the goalposts? You asked me what my "beef" was with Rachel and I said that I have already explained it in great detail. Now you're taking a tangent off to something else.

I can give you my opinion about "feminist hypocrisy" if you like but please acknowledge that I have already spent a lot of time very carefully explaining my opinions on Rachel. And also I'm not rehashing it again just for your benefit because you won't go back and read it.

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