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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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TheignT · 18/12/2025 15:07

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:45

Good to know. I suppose you hear about it on MN more when there are problems!

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Yes I think we are more likely to start a thread about poor service than about good service. Sad really.

Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 15:22

I cannot abide Kneecap. Does anyone actually think they are genuinely being “ironic”? Can you imagine being “ironically” pro Ku Klux Klan?

However I’ll credit them this- they’re the first thing to actually have a positive influence on Irish language use among young people. Probably why Catherine Connolly is such a fan.

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:46

The GP situation in Ireland is not so great. I used to be able to attend without an appointment. Then visits were by appointment only, but the same day if I wanted it. That was great as queues were shorter in the waiting room. Now appointments can take a week or longer to get. It's quite common throughout the country.

Access to expensive treatments, like cancer and MS drugs used to be amongst the best in the world. Now some newer expensive treatments take a long to be approved for public patients, so they are only available with insurance. That wasn't the case before.

The waiting lists are horrendous. A&E times are a disgrace, and it can take months or years to get an OP appointment. This was always a problem in Ireland, but now it's absolutely ridiculous.

The budget is huge, but the more money that's thrown at the problem the worse it seems to be getting.

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:47

Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 15:22

I cannot abide Kneecap. Does anyone actually think they are genuinely being “ironic”? Can you imagine being “ironically” pro Ku Klux Klan?

However I’ll credit them this- they’re the first thing to actually have a positive influence on Irish language use among young people. Probably why Catherine Connolly is such a fan.

They're just shit-stirring scumbags.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 15:48

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:09

I know most Irish people ( rightly ) deplore the reality of the IRA but there is still a tendency to romanticise aspects of the nationalist struggle and to equate it with the Palestinian struggle. That’s fine if it means sympathising with the suffering of innocent civilians but it sometimes becomes a tolerance of “armed struggle “ that can mean the glorification of terrorism.

An abhorrence of terrorism is what it’s taught most people, if you’re talking about things like Oct 7th or provisional IRA or loyalist atrocities.

The War of Independence is seen differently I agree (for the most part), but never the murder of innocents.

25milesfromhome · 18/12/2025 16:59

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:17

I think we’re pretty well informed.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/kneecap-irish-hip-hop-trio-promoting-violence-against-israel

The picture of someone in a tricolour balaclava reading a book of Hezbollah sayings 🤮

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I wonder if any of these classic Hasrallah statements are in the craven clout-chaser's very special book? Plenty of inspiration:

"That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle.”

"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

“If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli.”

“The Palestinian National Charter will live on as long as there is a knife in a Palestinian woman’s hand with which she stabs an Israeli soldier or settler … as long as there are suicide bombers in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv … and as long as there is a child who throws a stone in the face of an Israeli soldier.”

"The Jews invented the legend of the Nazi atrocities… They can speak of fabricated or exaggerated massacres that occurred during the Second World War, but we must not forget the massacres that they committed against us and the peoples of the region which are documented and proven…"

Maybe J.J. Ó Dochartaigh, former teacher at a Catholic grammar school turned tedious little edgelord will delight his fans next with a photo displaying his treasured collection of tea towels printed with his favourite inspirational Hasrallah quotes, or perhaps a woodcut hanging on his wall, like a kind of Live Love Laugh for people who revere violent terrorist organisations and their leaders.

Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 18:52

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:47

They're just shit-stirring scumbags.

Put wonderfully. There’s a lack of nuance, intelligence, and subtlety that you’d see if irony was at play.

Fair dues to them for doing something different and reviving the language somewhat though.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 12:16

SharonEllis · 08/12/2025 19:46

What does Israel have to do with Ophelia's comment about the Jewish community in Ireland ir Rachel Moiselle's experience as a Jew in Ireland?

She's not Jewish. She's Catholic. People used information that she provided to research her family tree and they proved that she has no Jewish heritage at all.

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 14:47

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 12:16

She's not Jewish. She's Catholic. People used information that she provided to research her family tree and they proved that she has no Jewish heritage at all.

Really? Who are these “people” ? And where is the evidence of their “research”?

I don’t think it matters how “Jewish” or not in Rachel Moiselle is . I admire the way she is shedding a light on antisemitism in Ireland. It takes courage .

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DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 15:01

She says she’s Catholic but that her father’s family are Jewish.

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DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 15:45

Yes, though I doubt she wrote the article you’ve linked.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 16:56

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 15:01

She says she’s Catholic but that her father’s family are Jewish.

And genealogists have traced her family tree to show that the only person who had any tenuous link to Judaism was her great great grandfather.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 16:57

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 14:47

Really? Who are these “people” ? And where is the evidence of their “research”?

I don’t think it matters how “Jewish” or not in Rachel Moiselle is . I admire the way she is shedding a light on antisemitism in Ireland. It takes courage .

You said "her experience as a Jew". She's Said herself that she's Catholic on Jan 1st on Twitter. Don't you think that since you were wrong about this, that you might be wrong about other things too?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 16:59

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 15:27

I think what is important is that she is exposing the increase in antisemitic hate crime in Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/12/31/hate-crime-investigation-under-way-after-anti-semitic-graffiti-appears-on-co-louth-roads/

She didn't write that article. Also, there's been absolutely no evidence found yet about who wrote that racist slogan on the road.

Ikeasucks · 07/01/2026 17:19

Yes it is - just seen this thread and realise i’m a bit late. I’m really quite shocked from what i’ve seen from Ireland the past few years

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:23

No @DaisyDenise @OneGladPinkTraybake Rachel is not Catholic, she was raised Catholic and she says she has not identified with catholicism for 10 years. Rachel is such a staunch Jewish ally that she is often assumed to be Jewish so no I don't think thinking Rachel is Jewish means that @OpheliaIsntMad is wrong about other things. Nobody least of all Ophelia said that Rachel had written the Irish Times article either. The article was obviiusly posted to verify the levels of antisemitism that Rachel has been highlighting.

Is the renaming of Dublin’s  Herzog Park antisemitic?
SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:24

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 12:16

She's not Jewish. She's Catholic. People used information that she provided to research her family tree and they proved that she has no Jewish heritage at all.

'People' eh? Well that's that settled then.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 18:32

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:23

No @DaisyDenise @OneGladPinkTraybake Rachel is not Catholic, she was raised Catholic and she says she has not identified with catholicism for 10 years. Rachel is such a staunch Jewish ally that she is often assumed to be Jewish so no I don't think thinking Rachel is Jewish means that @OpheliaIsntMad is wrong about other things. Nobody least of all Ophelia said that Rachel had written the Irish Times article either. The article was obviiusly posted to verify the levels of antisemitism that Rachel has been highlighting.

You were in such a rush to reply to me that you didn't notice that I was saying that Rachel didn't write this article. Because she didn't.

You might say that the reason for posting it was obvious to you, but that doesn't mean it was to everyone.

And yes, getting something so wrong as to assuming Rachel's religion absolutely should be a pause-and-think moment for somebody. It puts a massively different framing on Rachel's output.

One other thing - this screenshot that you posted is exactly why Rachel disappeared from Twitter. That paternal heritage is now deeply doubtful. A number of accounts have discovered primary sources including birth certificates and other documents that cast severe doubt on her claim to Jewish heritage.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 18:34

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:24

'People' eh? Well that's that settled then.

Yes. They've done the legwork to find documents that support questioning her claim to this heritage very strongly. So?

Here's one

https://x.com/A_New_Ireland?s=20

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:42

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 18:32

You were in such a rush to reply to me that you didn't notice that I was saying that Rachel didn't write this article. Because she didn't.

You might say that the reason for posting it was obvious to you, but that doesn't mean it was to everyone.

And yes, getting something so wrong as to assuming Rachel's religion absolutely should be a pause-and-think moment for somebody. It puts a massively different framing on Rachel's output.

One other thing - this screenshot that you posted is exactly why Rachel disappeared from Twitter. That paternal heritage is now deeply doubtful. A number of accounts have discovered primary sources including birth certificates and other documents that cast severe doubt on her claim to Jewish heritage.

I couldn't care less about the minite details of Rachel's heritage, she is right about antisemitism. I do question the motivation of anyone so invested in digging around in her history for some strawmen. Certainly a pause-and-think issue for any reasonable person.

DeanElderberry · 07/01/2026 18:42

'Rachel Moiselle' seems to be the latest in a long line of anti-Irish Irish people (many though not all of them Northern Unionists) who will tell any lie to tarnish Ireland.

I think this map, based on data from Tel Aviv, is still probably accurate. Made before the Gaza war and the re-branding of concern for people under siege as antisemitism.

Is the renaming of Dublin’s  Herzog Park antisemitic?
OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 18:57

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:42

I couldn't care less about the minite details of Rachel's heritage, she is right about antisemitism. I do question the motivation of anyone so invested in digging around in her history for some strawmen. Certainly a pause-and-think issue for any reasonable person.

Absolutely love how you move the goalposts when I come with receipts. Noted.

You might also want to find a good dictionary definition of strawmen. Because, to quote a great Jewish man, "I do not think that word means what you think it means".

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 19:02

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 18:23

No @DaisyDenise @OneGladPinkTraybake Rachel is not Catholic, she was raised Catholic and she says she has not identified with catholicism for 10 years. Rachel is such a staunch Jewish ally that she is often assumed to be Jewish so no I don't think thinking Rachel is Jewish means that @OpheliaIsntMad is wrong about other things. Nobody least of all Ophelia said that Rachel had written the Irish Times article either. The article was obviiusly posted to verify the levels of antisemitism that Rachel has been highlighting.

Yes, sorry. I should have said she was raised Catholic and left in 2016. (By this I assume she means she’s lapsed as it’s really not at all easy to officially leave the Church.) It doesn’t really matter, but I’m just surprised. I assumed she was Jewish. It does make me feel what’s she’s saying is less authentic somehow? I don’t know if that’s fair, but sometimes when people are looking from the outside in it means their analysis of a situation is a bit off.
(ETA I’m not saying there isn’t anti-semitism in Ireland by the way.)

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 19:08

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 19:02

Yes, sorry. I should have said she was raised Catholic and left in 2016. (By this I assume she means she’s lapsed as it’s really not at all easy to officially leave the Church.) It doesn’t really matter, but I’m just surprised. I assumed she was Jewish. It does make me feel what’s she’s saying is less authentic somehow? I don’t know if that’s fair, but sometimes when people are looking from the outside in it means their analysis of a situation is a bit off.
(ETA I’m not saying there isn’t anti-semitism in Ireland by the way.)

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I think it's very fair to reassess what she writes, particularly when she's got quite a lot of dubious claims.

I should make it 100% clear. I'm absolutely not saying there's no antisemitism in Ireland. I have Jewish friends. I've actually been to Israel. My main concern is that Rachel's output and her reasons for doing it are very, very murky.

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