Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

I know most Irish people ( rightly ) deplore the reality of the IRA but there is still a tendency to romanticise aspects of the nationalist struggle and to equate it with the Palestinian struggle. That’s fine if it means sympathising with the suffering of innocent civilians but it sometimes becomes a tolerance of “armed struggle “ that can mean the glorification of terrorism.

its lovely to be a pacifist when you are hiding behind another countries/continents army. And you aren't worried that you will be murdered for being Jewish by someone who was inspired by the likes of Kneecap, one of whom "...draped in a Hizballah flag, shouted to the crowd, “Up Hamas, up Hizballah.”

I'm not overly concerned about my safety in Ireland, (although plenty of my fellow Irish Jews are) but I bet little Matildas parents weren't either. Or the others who got murdered on sunday (I went to school with one of the victims so this has hit me very hard)

People supporting Hamas are not moderates or pacifists.

Absolutely 👍🏼

The reason independence is dangerous is because of loyalist terrorists, not republican terrorists, you do realise that? They’re the ones who’d object violently.
Although the IRA would respond of course and back to square one…

Nobody wants that, or very, very few at least.
Not Kneecap anyway. I don’t see that. They’re playing.

I thought there were economic objections to unification. People I have spoken to on this topic don't seem over excited about unification at all.

I don’t think too many on this thread live in Ireland or NI, do they?
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding unfortunately.

The marches for Palestine may have been largely well intentioned but they have harboured and emboldened a vicious element of anti semitic extremists.
This has gone in for far far too long . I can understand why so many Jewish families are thinking of relocating to Israel . Many no longer feel safe here and if people don’t understand why they are being deliberately obtuse .

Yes there are, you’re right about that. The NHS isn’t replicated in Ireland (ROI), for example. GP visits are only covered for certain groups of people by the HSE here.

But that’s not why it’s dangerous iyswim. Nobody in their right mind is looking for unification anytime soon, even if they’re that way inclined. Too soon will see a return to violence in NI. Healing will take generations.

I think we’re pretty well informed.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/kneecap-irish-hip-hop-trio-promoting-violence-against-israel

The picture of someone in a tricolour balaclava reading a book of Hezbollah sayings 🤮

Of course I understand that.

But Kneecap rely on agitating, these grievances actively serve them in their notoriety and fame without them having to risk themselves in any way. What they’re doing is very cowardly.

The Jewish Representative Councli of Ireland is compiling a report on antisemitism here and so far the number of incidents seem to be proportionally far higher than in other countries.

(things like, kids being bullied in school for being Jewish, being refused to be served by a business, abuse in public spaces...etc)

And dangerous - it incites others .
And even if it doesn’t lead to an atrocity like Bondi Beach you can be damned sure it will encourage some little oiks to bully Jewish children in their school or neighbourhood

I’m really sorry to hear that.
I’ve taken the view on here that Ireland is probably the same as other European countries. There has been ALOT of push back on here from some Irish posters who insisted there was no anti- semitism at all .

not sure what is a bigger disaster, HSE vs NHS. But I've had very little personal experience of NHS.

Reality is paying for GP visits costs the average person very little and provides a far better service.

I remember reading around Brexit time that this would speed up unification, so far not much movement on that front.

Yes, they court controversy and I don’t support that in any way. PP is right in that their actions can often clash with what they say (about supporting peace).

Which Irish posters said that? I know I didn’t.

No - it definitely wasn’t you!
It’s happened lots of times on various threads .

I think we’re a particularly unhealthy bunch in this house…lots of chronic inflammatory conditions. The GP costs a lot here 😅

Must easier to get an appointment than the MN threads I’ve read seem to indicate though, and that’s a huge plus.

complete spinoff but don't you get a medical card with chronic conditions?

The point is that their rhetoric and actions embolden others to abuse ( eg school children to bully Jewish children )

I actually don’t think the problem is ‘real’ Irish people. There are a huge group of white, British ‘Your Party’ followers who have internalised self loathing to such a degree they will passionately and unintelligently support whichever side is the one perceived to be opposed to ‘British colonial imperialism’ (aka Britain in general). They’re full of the romance of republicanism and resistance because they’re from middle class homes in mostly England; they’ve never known what it’s like to be unsafe, and they’ll never be at risk from the inflammation they create. They’re happy to put other individuals at risk, and to play the victim of the State knowing ultimately their rights will always be upheld by the very constitution they despise.

They’re grade A twats, absolutely no friend of the Irish and the moment the going got tough they would throw them under the bus. People I know who grew up in the thick of the Troubles have no time for agitation, blind support of a ‘resistance’ or those who urge others to take risk on their behalf.

Only some…diabetes, cystic fibrosis, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, intellectual disability and several others. There’s a list.

But loads of chronic conditions aren’t covered.

Yes, you’re right. One of them was a teacher, wasn’t he? You’d think he’d be more aware of the potential consequences regarding bullying in schools, in particular.

Getting a GP appointment varies alot on the NHS. I did an online request for an issue I have. Dr phoned about half an hour ago, reassured me about somethings, arranged a blood test and asked if I wanted to go in this afternoon to see her. I said I didn't think it was urgent and she said ok but she'd put it on my notes that if I wanted to see her it was to be a priority.

I know I'm lucky but I don't think it is fair that the NHS is always criticised.

Good to know. I suppose you hear about it on MN more when there are problems!