Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

I'm always rather surprised that people are so keen to make comparisons between the Holocaust and Gaza, simply because it's so spectacularly obvious and indisputable that nothing is like industrial genocide other than industrial genocide. Even if one were to take the criticisms of Israel at the absolute highest, believe every stat coming from Hamas etc, it's simply not even close. I mean, imagine how much less awful the Holocaust would've been had it only been killing at a rate of 30,000 a year. If the Jews and Roma had emerged from it with more people than they started, instead of less!

It also invites the point that in the current iteration of the conflict, the thing most directly comparable to the Holocaust is in fact the Nova festival attack. Killing hundreds of people in a few hours mostly with bullets is exactly how the Nazis murdered the Jews of the ex-USSR. It's like the Babi Yar massacre, similar hourly rate even. Very Holocaust of bullets.

And it's not like there aren't loads of other analogies you can use, that don't inevitably end up being countered in such an inconvenient manner.

Yea same as. I mean I always found it horrifying as a child but it was the visit to Auschwitz and more adult focused literature (eg Frankl’s book) that really shook me.

I think the extreme desire for self protection is completely understandable, given the past..

I do think people have been confused and surprised that Israel, many of whose citizens know more than most about discrimination and torture and death at the hands of a genocidal regime, could act in the way they have towards other innocents, eg Gazan children.

@DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix its antisemitism pure and simple.

I think that’s the surprising thing yes, and I do grapple with this frequently. Is it cultural trauma? Is deadening of empathy part of the IDF training?

Is it motivated by religious reasons in part- fear of Islam? I’m not read up on it enough to fully understand.

Herzog was a terrorist
Herzog was a member of a paramilitary group, Haganah who mudered thousands of Palestinians.
Haganah expanded significantly under his guidance
Herzog was directly involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian towns and villages during the Nakba in 1948
Herzog was directly involved in moving Israelis into stolen Palestinian land.
Herzog was a key figure in the formation of the IDF and served as its military defence director. It's history then and to the current day is shameful.
His history is no longer hidden or diluted.
The truth is finally being exposed.

This really is a special interest for you. Do you take a similar interest in other Irish place names named for colonialists or terrorists or suspected paedophiles? Or is it just this teensy garden sized park in a posh part of Dublin?

This is the part that many Irish people take issue with. Regardless of where the man was born, his subsequent actions are hard for many to swallow.

RTE chose not to compete at the Eurovision. It took the decision independently. It had nothing to do with football, the Irish government, or any other organisation.

My goodness. How brave of RTE 🤣

Will RTE refuse to broadcast any wide scale sporting event that Israel haven’t been disqualified from?

RTE is becoming more of a joke by the day.

Israel haven’t managed to qualify for a World Cup place since 1970 so moot point indeed

Not the qualifying- it’s being allowed to qualify that counts

I’m actually laughing out loud at the turn out pics from the football match! Tumbleweeds galore

I don't see why they would refuse to broadcast a sporting event. They wouldn't be the competitor. In the Eurovision their representative would have been.

I’m hoping that is because the vast majority of Dubliners don’t think it’s ok to turn up mob handed into an area populated by the small and beleaguered Irish Jewish community.

To be fair, I think it is. I’ve seen several polls that indicate most Irish people are sensibly against the renaming. The Dublin City councillors seem to be going against the majority, I’m sure there a herd mentality/social contagion thing going on there.

"beleaguered Irish Jewish community"

Struggling to think of one of my Jewish friends or family members who feels beleaguered. 🤣 Do you even live in Ireland ??

Try reading Rachel Moiselle for a start. I wonder why you think its amusing?

I think you need to read this. You seem spectacularly ill-informed.
https://embassies.gov.il/ireland/en/news/291124

The whole article is worth reading but I have picked out the following paragraph as it reminds us of what happens when good people are afraid to speak up.

”It is important to note that there are still many Irish people who have expressed solidarity and support to us over the past year, but the general climate is worrying since these people often say that they are fearful of showing their support for Israel for fear of going against the typical narrative, which has become dominated by more extreme elements. For a non-Jewish person to say that they are afraid to wear a Star of David necklace or display an Israeli flag they own is a bad reflection on the situation in Ireland.”

You seem very childish. I urge you to read what the Israeli ambassador has written. If you are truly Irish then you should show more concern for your fellow citizens.

Your editing hasn’t made this post less childish.
Read what the Ambassador had to say about the plight of Irish Jews and try to post something relevant rather that a slur .

The plight of Irish Jews
What plight of Irish Jews. You're being ridiculous. You can keep saying Ireland is antisemitic or I am antisemitic but you are incorrect.

And you want me to read more of the same from that Dana Erlich. Wasn't she going to be kicked out of Ireland so Israel took her out before we got the chance.

I think in your last paragraph you’ve made your antisemitism loud and clear for all to see.

Shame on you for your lack of concern for a minority group in Irish society . They are citizens in your country. Shame on you for your ignorance and denial of the problems they are facing .