To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

yup this too

In Let it Be Paul is singing about his mother, Mary, who sadly died when he was a lad.

Ok. I learnt something new there.
Let it Be always struck me a quite hymn- like.

OK Heinz. You've obviously not read the thread as it does have a biblical leaning whatever the OP's faith.

No self congratulation so quite the imagination you have there.

I’ll never accept that a song telling people to stay within their class as a result of birth is a hymn.
It goes against the very tenets of Jesus’ teaching.

The rich man in his castle
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high or lowly
And ordered their estate.

Horrible classist drivel.

The only reason Christianity exists today is because it was weaponised it’s in every church IHS In Hoc Signo- in this sign we conquer.

This isn't correct. That In Hoc Signo (Vinces) is the one associated with Emperor Constantine.

The one you see in Christian churches represents Jesus's name (in Greek).

Am also curious what the hymns are that are super universal and important for a room of catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish and atheist children to know.

I am Jewish and every.single version of Judaism has its own melodies and traditions and everyone has so many feelings about them. I would expect it’s the same for any religion really so who is right? And living in Scotland I’m guessing what Scottish people grew up with would be different in England or wales or Northern Ireland too.

i think the problem with this post is it’s about two different things at the same time - should there be more music in school (maybe? But not endless forced singing. That’s really not enjoyable for many) AND is multiculturalism and inclusion somehow damaging to children (hard no from me).

That’s convenient 🤣🤣

Much like yours then

I have an excellent imagination. Thanks.

Exactly this.

I've made this observation but op hasn't commented on it.

it shows that the op really doesn't understand that "Christianity" comes in different denominations and hymns are not always universal.

i don't find religion unifying like the op seems to suggest it is. My grandparents were from the west of Scotland - religion caused many issues and still does in fact.

Not for you.

It’s interesting you’ve separated the original question into something which fits your world view.

The hymns aren’t meant to be universal, except insofar as the UK is a Christian cultured country, from its language, to its buildings, to its laws etc the hymns aren’t meant another art form representative of its culture. So hymns should be universal for all people integrated in the country. How often does an atheist say “Good God”. It’s just part of the culture.

It is - because it shows how the church twists its origins 😀.

For someone promoting hymn singing you have no faith in God or the Christian church.

Can you post a link to something proving that please because I can't find anything.

My Nan is 86 and more progressive in her thought process than you’re coming across on here OP. You may as well just say let’s get back to the ‘good old days’. I find it fascinating, my wonderful Nan laughs at phrases like that because generally people view the past with rose tinted glasses. I’m in my 30’s so my frame of reference isn’t as vast as hers, and I trust what she’s saying. We need to move forwards not backwards.

In what way is the language and law linked to the church, apart from things now argued as hugely outdated, such as daily acts of Christian worship in schools and retail law around Sunday/easter/xmas opening?

I agree with you OP.

When I was teaching I made a point of continuing it. We didn't force religion down their throats, but I felt hymn singing was important for the communal aspect. Too many good things are dying out in this country. I actually think singing hymns in school has nothing to do with religion.

And I saw Songs of Praise too, and have been playing Shine Jesus Shine whenever I pass the piano this evening!

How can HYMNS in schools have nothing to do with RELIGION?

Religious worship has no place in schools. However, learning to sing communally is great. Folk songs would suffice.
If you're singing hymns, you should be singing worshippy songs from other faiths too.

Communal singing is truly joyous - be it in the pub, the church or the football terraces. More singing in schools would be lovely. There is hardly any at our school except at Christmas. I don’t think though that singing hymns is the solution. Lots of different songs can unite people without religion being involved. We used to sing old folk songs at school. I enjoyed those.

The hymns aren’t meant to be universal, except insofar as the UK is a Christian cultured country, from its language, to its buildings, to its laws etc the hymns aren’t meant another art form representative of its culture. So hymns should be universal for all people integrated in the country.

As should folk songs, or iconic pop songs. But you aren't promoting those. Any chance of you telling us why?

One of the songs they sang in my daughter’s nativity was ‘Christmas counts for everyone’ which was actually very confusing for a school that’s 25% Muslim and likely 50% atheist. By the time it was my son’s turn they’d gotten rid of that song which was interesting.

I think there’s a massive difference between cultural or traditional music and songs that literally force children to agree to beliefs they do not have. You can sing ‘I hope you have a very merry Christmas’ and lovely songs about reindeers and snow, but to sing ‘Jesus loves ME and Christmas is coming for ME’ is another thing altogether.

Why would anyone who isn't a Christian want their children singing hymns? Most people are non-Christian (atheists or other religions) so I think total out of touch to expert schools to be teaching hymns.