To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

Bet your quick to thrust your atheism down the throats of Christians though.

There seems to be a lot of “thinking” on this thread about me. Sadly for the MN Humanist/socialist society none of which is accurate.
Im waiting for someone to get back to the Angel numbers!!!! That was an hilarious bit of “thinking” mmwwaaahhh! Made my afternoon that did🤣🤣🤣🤣

I’m excited to see what’s coming next on the old ad hominem front.

Just to say that a school that is not religious still do harvest festivals and nativity plays unless you opt out of those?

Cauliflowers Fluffy is a harvest song. We sang it when I was at school. Of course it would be out of place at a remembrance service, but so would many traditional hymns. Nonsensical point.

I don't think I'm familiar with the MN Humanist / socialist society. You've made your views about multiculturism transparent though. Nothing ad hominem about pointing that out.

I think we need a lot more than the communal singing of a few hymns to hold us all back together. Do you think people should be spending time in church and do you think the lack of Christian worship is the downfall of society as it is right now? Some of the least 'Christian' people I know are Christian Ministers of some sort. I definitely wouldn't be looking to them for ways to hold us together either.

I also think it is crucial to look forwards and not backwards, hankering for the old days when we were 'more together' in or our of church. We can move forward while still understanding and being thankful for the history and our individual pasts that shape who and how we are today.

Never heard of it so wouldn’t know when it’s appropriate I suspect more of the population know “We plough the fields and scatter “

You can go to Mass and sing traditional hymns if you want.

Interesting that you conclude "not religious" is one and the same thing as "atheism". It's not, and without meaning to speak for @OnARainyDay2012 they never actually specified they are atheist.

And before Christianity our culture was Pagan. I I agree culture is not static.

Many of our so called traditional christian festivals have much older roots
Christmas which OP calls a Christmas festival actually builds on the winter festival that took place in darkest winter. Many Christians don't celebrate Christmas and it was banned by the Puritans as they classed it as a Pagan festival
OP is harking back to her childhood thinking that was the golden age. It wasn't because there is no such thing

Just asked my son- he’s never heard of a song called “cauliflowers fluffy”

Omg lol what the hell british primary school is your son at that he doesn't know this song? Its sung at harvest time in most primary schools.

^cauliflowers fluffy, cabbages green
Strawberries sweeter than any i've seen
Beetroot purple, onions white
All grow steadily day and night
The apples are ripe
The plums are red
The broad beans are sleeping in their blankety bed^

Now this is cultural. Its referencing locally grown produce that has thrived in British soil for millennia & form a big part of many british childrens diet.

The thing that held society together wasnt the old fashioned hymns.

There are two community carol concert near where I live. One has popular modern songs and a choir.

The other has no choir; everyone sings along - it used to be just old fashioned hymns but it was losing popularity. So they decided to mix it up with some oldies and some new popular songs. It's massively popular and about a thousand come out for it. The thing we have in common is where we live, not religion. Indeed many who turn out are either non religious or have a different religion but love the spirit of the event. The songs have changed and are continuing to change as the community changes. That's the point. They remain relevant to a modern audience.

The idea that we can live in the past is nonsense. Traditions that survive, do so because they have something that keeps them relevant and appealing. My son learns both old and new songs with school - the older ones he likes are the ones with good tunes or hook rather than the ones that drone on...

I never did this. My son hasn't done this...

I suspect more of the population know “We plough the fields and scatter

Ive never heard of this song, neither have my sister and friend sat with me & they are both primary school teachers.

Just look it up then instead of making stupid points about irrelevant things.

It is pretty popular in primary schools. My child sings it in her non religious school

I've never heard of it either.

I agree so hard. Religion is one of the many things people use to separate the world into 'us and them'. Anything but a uniting force.

I doubt it. My children sang cauliflower fluffy at school in the 90s. Its very familiar to them and to anyone who had children at school in the last thirty years at least. I know we plough the fields and scatter my children's generation don't.
Incidentally Cauliflowers fluffy is much more fun to sing.

Just from experience it tends to be.

It's a lovely hymn. Translated from the original German 80 years after it was written.

Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer isn't religious.

I bet most people in the UK could sing it.

It's become traditional but we don't classify it as traditional.

Merry Christmas by Slade is now over half a century old. I bet most people will be familiar with it. Give it a couple more decades, then can we call it traditional?

Not sure about forcing the tradition on schools, but I think there’s enough of us to keep the tradition going generally. We just visited a Christmas lights switch on event yesterday and there was a choir there who sang hymns. It was packed to the end. It was lovely and certainly brought back memories. The choir sing locally at events throughout Christmas and are always in demand.

What is there in pp's post for you to base that contention on?

Answer: nothing at all.

Nope, definitely still passing this house by.