Children as guinea pigs

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I know I'm not being unreasonable. Surely its unethical.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k4jg0wkj4o.amp

It’s awful. How is it ethical to say that children can consent to this?

Researchers from King's College London say the trial will involve around 220 children under the age of 16 who are going through puberty, and will examine the impact of the drugs on their physical, social and emotional wellbeing.

Some clinicians and campaigners question whether the trial is ethical.

Only some!!!!!!!!!

They can't they are children.

200 children being guinea pigs for hormone blockers

To explore the impact of the drugs, the researchers plan to start one group on the treatment straight away and another group 12 months later. The children in these groups will be chosen randomly.

The KCL researchers said there would be no minimum age for taking the drugs, but puberty normally starts around the age of 11 for girls and 12 for boys.

The trial will look at issues such as bone density, brain development and mental health and wellbeing over time.

The research team said the trial had been given ethical approval and was expected to start in January, with five to six children recruited every month. The first results should be available in around four years.

I would be astonished if this passed an ethical board.

We need to to know is pulling the government’s strings here. They are 100% acting against the wellbeing of children.

Line line line up for testing of hormone blockers..... who pays out for damages

Unbelievable experimentation on minors

Its been given approval. The lunatics have taken over the asylum to use a phrase .... Madness

Why experiment on another batch of children when the data should be mined from the Tavistock files instead?

How can this trial provide any significant data when it isn't measuring effects on fertility - just height, weight and bone density - and it's based on undefineable terms like "experienced gender"

And only one parent or guardian needs to consent. The figures for parents with convictions for CSA with children treated at the Tavistock should give cause for concern here.

To the 14% who say its not unreasonable to test children going through puberty with blockers.... why is it ok on minors?

A quarter of mn posters think I'm unreasonable to be concerned that children are being used as guinea pigs. Very worrying

Well going on voting alone many appear to think its ok to test and new batch of children rather than use data from previous children.

What happened to 'do no harm first'

Sorry, I see you’re right. So we need the names of those who have this ethical approval. All comms with them and the various lobbying groups.

It’s state sanctioned child abuse.

I hope Keira and James are successful in stopping this.

Lets see if they have courage of their conviction. I'd like someone to explain why they think you are being unreasonable to be horrified that children are going to be experimented on.

The parents decide for them? You look like a boy, you say you feel.like a boy, wrong body? Go ahead and stop developing into a woman and see what happens to your bones etc.... said no caring person ever. Its ok they will measure bones for density changes etc.

It is, and right under our noses. Do we turn the other way? Adults yes, but children as young as 11...... 😥

The puberty blockers trial has already proved controversial, with campaigners threatening legal action.

Keira Bell, who took the Tavistock gender clinic to court in 2020 after she was given puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones as a teenager, said the trial should be halted immediately. If it is not, she says she and another campaigner will start judicial review proceedings at the High Court.

She said it was "disgusting" that children were being put on the drugs when they had already been banned because they were "unsafe".

In her case, the High Court ruled that under-16s were "unlikely to be able to give informed consent" to puberty blockers, but this was later overturned by the Court of Appeal which ruled that doctors can judge whether young people can give consent to the treatment.

Some clinicians from the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender, which campaigns for rigorous science and improved treatment options for gender-questioning people, have also questioned whether the trial can be carried out ethically.

10 years old girls and 11 year old boys. Just listening to LBC talkshow just now.

It's child abuse. I thought Wes Streeting had recently said it wouldn't be allowed?

I know its shocking.

My children have friends who identified as non binary and opposite sex but have gone back and now what grey were born as.

Poor kids need mental health support not puberty blockers. Testing children feels very wrong.

Hopefully they will stop this trial on guinea pig children.

The trial on children is currently approved to go ahead but naturally those that care about ethics and research on and using children are taking action.

Point of order: children are used in medical trials all the time. Where is the outrage for those experiments, and why is it only this one which merits multiple threads on the subject?

To be far only 24 people have voted. Maybe parents will read the story about research on children or watch the news and see what is planned.

Multiple threads?

Yes, you are not the first poster to start a thread.

Christ, I feel sick reading that
What sort of parent will allow this abuse of their child