To think that society does not require Botox

[MeridaBrave]

I’ve just started a new job and everyone is lovely. It’s a start up and there is a great atmosphere. A younger colleague (she is 28, so only 6 years older than my DD) said she has Botox. I asked why? She said society expects it so she has to. I really struggled to understand (I’m in my 50s and they recruited me for my technical skills).

I kept on saying I didn’t understand why it was required - clearly our employer wouldn’t care. To her it seems so obvious that it was expected by society. Eventually she said social media. I suppose also could be her social circle?

Am I being unreasonable to think that this is insane? I’m also worried about what sort of world we are bringing our daughters up into. What’s the point in feminism and equal opportunity if young women feel Botox is required.

But it often doesn’t look good!

Im looking at getting this for TMD. Hoping i get good results!

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I really don’t think you can look at someone under, say 45, and know for sure they’ve had Botox or anything else. Yes, there’s a few extremes but you’d never know my DDs lips were ever so slightly plumper! You might if you knew her very well.

Over the centuries women have done all sorts of things they consider enhances their looks. Lead on their faces like QE1. They’ve worn furs, ostrich feathers and unethically sourced jewels, but we change. Who influenced them? Someone always has this role!

Modern fabrics and cosmetics come along. Botox is just the latest development. And who really cares? Only the people who pay for it Sureky?

A few wrinkles, tolerable. Turkey neck and jowls- not!

A few wrinkles, tolerable. Turkey neck and jowls- not!

That's the thing. Botox at 35/40, magic. Fine lines erased, all visible signs of ageing gone.
But what happens at 50/55? Botox isn't going to sort the jowls or the collapsing face.

you still look younger than you would have had without?

It's not a magic spell, it doesn't stop aging. Like everything else, it gives the best version of yourself. Nothing stops you from doing something bout your jowls if you want to.

you still look younger than you would have had without?

Honestly once the face changes shape and sags, you'll look your age anyway, no-one's going to be fooled just because the lines are less.

It's not a magic spell, it doesn't stop aging. Like everything else, it gives the best version of yourself. Nothing stops you from doing something bout your jowls if you want to.It's not a magic spell, it doesn't stop aging. Like everything else, it gives the best version of yourself. Nothing stops you from doing something bout your jowls if you want to.

That's full-on surgery territory though isn't it.

So why haven’t you told your mum?

Well exactly. And a smooth forehead with a sagging lower face looks very off! I saw it a lot in New York….you can spot it a mile away.

Botox looks best probably late 30s/early 40s.

Unless heavily lined you don’t need it before then. I don’t believe in preventative Botox - I do think you will cause muscle wastage in the forehead which will cause the brow to droop eventually more than it would have without years of Botox.

I also think you can push the wrinkles elsewhere - where they don’t look as good! I backed off massively when I was getting crows feet Botox and noticed my upper eye lids were becoming more wrinkled due to compensation movements. See also the under eye and bunny lines. Crows feet look nice - smiley - a crinkled upper eyelid by the brow does not look good!

Botox used very sparingly can be good. But it’s not some panacea that you can use every 3 months for 20+ years without looking very weird.

nah bollocks. Im late 40s and never had botox

All my colleagues of similar age have botox but it’s not expected . It’s on them if they feel they must

So tired of condescending expressions such as “be better”

What’s the point in feminism and equal opportunity if young women think Botox is required?
What’s the point in feminism if we still haven’t internalised that it is just as wrong to criticise a woman for what she chooses to do to her face, as it is to criticise her for what she does not do.
My face, my business. Her face, her business.

It just makes me laugh really for her to keep going on about it. I think everyone else in my life knows, I absolutely do not make a secret of it at all.

I didn’t criticise. She could see I hadn’t come across it before and was interested and curious.

Because you struggle to action it?

Because it's a trite, scolding phrase that's clearly meant as a put down.

It’s just the new normal for her peer group.
Hate seeing young women having “work”.

But when I was that age, it was being thin.
Having straightened hair, and a Brazilian…

My DD27 needed facial surgery a year ago. The surgeon administered Botox two weeks prior to the operation because he wanted to be sure that area of her face didn’t move under local anaesthetic. DD really noticed that her forehead wasn’t moving much those 6 subsequent months and asked her surgeon at the follow up about Botox generally for people in their twenties. He was unequivocal- don’t do it before the age of around 35; your facial muscles need to move and build strength- don’t paralyse them.
that was good enough for DD. She hasn’t touched the stuff a year in from the op when it was necessary

so, no judgement. But it is daft to do it so young

It is just like a mini skirt or make up. Personal style and visuality. Just fashion. We still eat, poo and sleep without it, so who cares. Let them have it

I do not judge women, but I do strongly consider everyone to truly think about why women get Botox, because the only reasons are really driven by beauty standards, and thus patriarchy. I do not judge women for participating in the system we live in, but like, c'mon, at least ask yourselves why men aren't also getting lip filler etc. These treatments are largely aimed at women.

It is sad that young women in their early 20's feel the need to inject chemicals into their faces to conform to current standards.

They are. Not lip fillers but my Dd has a growing male clientele.

You forgot balloon lips and tangerine skin...

what does the patriarchy has anything to do with anything? It's boring to pretend we can only be brain-washed and not have an original thought.

We had one saying that women only waxed their bikini line because "patriarchy" the other day. 🙄

These treatments are largely aimed at women.
really are not.

Th same reason people chuck alcohol - the proven to be carcinogenic byproduct of rotting fruit and veg down their throats.

Because they want to 🤷‍♀️