So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

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Is Shabana Mahmood right or wrong to restrict asylum seeker's rights? In general?

We are very densely populated already and I, for one, would vote against building over the green belt to build accommodation for asylum seekers.

Not many children coming via the boats. Refugees used to be the vulnerable, elderly, children, women. Most young to middle aged men were the most likely, as in Ukraine, to remain in their home countries.

If there’s no family reunification it’ll likely be younger men coming anyway.

The problem with this issue (and so many that divide people) is incentives.

If all asylum-seekers are genuine and worthy should we restrict their rights/privileges? Probably no.

If we want to ensure that asylum seekers are all genuine and worthy should we restrict their rights/privileges? Probably yes.

Not until they get citizenship as their travel documents excludes the country they’ve claimed asylum from. Not from the UK anyway.

Very sensible proposal for those who come here illegally.

Now to loosen the strings for those who want to come here with valuable skills and/or the will to work and contribute to the economy.

I have lost two excellent staff members in the last two years because they don't meet the strict "skilled workers" criteria the tories brought in. We need to fix that.

IMO if a person is happy to return "home" on holiday, they no longer require refuge.

Oh we are rich, well lots of people and companies are but others not so much - and the birth rate is decreasing

It has to be Labour. Like it has to be Labour to get to get to grips with the NHS. There would have been civil war if the tories had dared.

The birth rate is decreasing but immigration is so high our net population has been increasing by half a million to a million a year. It’s madness. And we are not rich. We are in managed downward spiral with few options.

None of the proposed changes is racist, so there’s no argument,

She's entirely correct

Labour have relied on this rhetoric a lot.

I agree with the proposals too, but doubt they’ll get through parliament without a lot of watering down.

Whilst sending people home once it's safe sounds good in practice, what happens when ten years from now they've married and had three kids here? Are they really saying they'll be sent back? Without their kids?

Most of that is legal immigration which is needed. What we need to do is deal with the issues that cause migration. And the issues that cause poverty. Why do we give millions of pounds to companies based in other countries who own our water? Why do we always have enough money to support counties kill people.

Parts of London now have 0 social housing for locals, whatever colour we are.

Illegal immigrants taking over a country’s social housing is insane, but it’s happened.

Playing the race card is particularly daft given most of the people who’ve been denied housing in London aren’t white. It’s a bit more than daft, it’s offensive.

We could do far more to sort out our problems and not blame them on migrants. And we have caused a lot of the issues leading to migration in the first place.

38,000 individuals came over over this year - so far…..

The children would go with them. I don't think being just born in the UK confers any specific residency rights.

We are in a similar situation as Denmark. The liberal-left are terrified of the rise of the far right, because they can't deal with illegal immigration.

I just hope Labour's plans are genuine and not just an attempt to shut people up. If they don't get a grip they'll will be cast into the dustbin of history. And they know it.

Who is ‘them’. Many migrants make the country a better place. Why not blame the issues that cause difficulties in the first place like excessive profits and excessive wealth rather than a few thousand migrants.

We shouldn’t allow appeal after appeal and give them a chance to get a women pregnant and then claim right to family life.

Where are we going to send these people back to though especially if they are lying about where they have come from, their age etc. we always seem to give people the benefit of the doubt.