To feel sorry for the fake admiral

[MajesticWhine]

It seems to be a victimless crime and I don’t think he was doing anyone any harm. Given the amount of crimes such as shoplifting that go unpunished AIBU to think this man should be let off with a caution?

‘Fake admiral’ charged after Remembrance memorial
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4d56e1d99d56fda6

This is NOT a victimless crime. The victims of this kind of fakery are those who actually served, have life changing injuries and the families of veterans who have been killed in action. It makes a mockery of their right to wear their earned medals and for families to respectfully remember those they have lost. As the wife of a veteran I find these fantasists despicable.

Ask a veterans widow or widower that question. The harm -and the insult- are very real I assure you.

@prh47bridge

Also surely the monarch decides who will get the dressing up box and not the regiments as you seem to be implying ?

We have the rather disturbing fact that Elizabeth and now Charles are head of the armed forces .

Troops swear to them not to the country . Just as MPs must do in order to be able to carry out their role as an elected representative.

I see you've popped up again to use yet another thread for your monarchy topic.

Too right I will @Catsknowbest

Does it bother you ?

Legally, in terms of sentencing/fines, it does matter if he hurt someone. It makes a difference if he used the uniform to defraud anyone financially, which could include accessing discounts offered specifically to veterans, etc, or if he passed himself off as an officer to gain employment for a position he was not qualified to do, etc.

If it is discovered that he did not use the uniform for monetary gain, etc, whilst the offence he has caused to those who legitimately served will be considered as a victim impact, his crime will be limited to a breach of the uniform act which will be a fine at most.

If he has been using the uniform in, say, a romance scam, that will be a second offence pertaining to the scam itself, not the uniform if wore to augment it. If he has been involved in financial fraud, that's a different charge again.

The whole lot rustle up some six months' FTE between them.

None of them 'work hard'.

As for uniforms and medals: fine on those royals who have earned them. Not fine on those who haven't.

Im laughing at the idea that the Windsors are not seeking promotion and rank but rather the forces are urging it on them …

Same forces getting skimmed by the Duchies...

"Yes, military units like having royals as Colonel-in-Chief or similar. You may not like it, but it is up to the military what they do. They are not forced to give honorary ranks to members of the royal family."

I suppose it's a bit like celebs getting honorary degrees from the university in their home city and getting to play dress up in the robes that other people have to study and pass exams to earn. It's a bit silly but I can see why it's done.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, Epstein etc A M W was promoted in honorary rank in retirement in the same way it's been done for decades plus for various royals, not because QE II lobbied especially for him.

Once a royal leaves the forces if they maintain honorary status they get promotion in line with the peer group they served with.

All you can see is him in this parade. You do not know what he has been telling people. He may have used his captainship to defraud or manipulate people. We have no idea what he has been doing. He needed exposing because he is lying. Imagine me wearing am authentic police uniform and pushing my way through crowd to join the police in crowd control?! It's lying and defrauding the public. It's encouraging the public to trust you, when they shouldn't.

Yes. I'm a disabled veterans wife and if I think you are going to hijack this thread with the same repetitive material as in your own threads and others I will call you out on it. Repeatedly.

@Catsknowbest

Go ahead.
And I will continue to post as I see fit so I don’t see why you felt the need to comment on my posting history - but hey ho it doesn’t bother me so I won’t report you .

@CathyorClaire how could I forget about the fact that Charles and William skim funds from the very regiments they also require allegiance from !
I would have thought that such behaviour would bother you as a forces wife @Catsknowbest . No? Not bothered ?

https://www.forcesnews.com/royals/royal-duchies-reportedly-earn-millions-military-rental-deals

@notimagain

So are you saying that all of Andrew’s peers also became Vice Admirals in 2015?

We know the Windsors knew about Andrew’s behaviour as a ‘trade envoy’ and they knew all about his links with Epstein but they still awarded him Vice Admiral .

But @prh47bridge says the forces ask for these appointments?

No, the regiments decide. The monarch does not tell a regiment that they must appoint, say, Anne as Colonel-in-Chief or similar honorary roles. That is entirely a matter for the regiment. The monarch's only involvement when a royal is promoted through the ranks as opposed to being appointed to an honorary role, e.g. Andrew's promotion to Vice-Admiral. When a royal is promoted, that is a decision for the relevant service (army, navy or air force) but the promotion must be approved by the monarch. So the Queen could, and perhaps should, have blocked Andrew's promotion to Vice-Admiral, but it was the Royal Navy that wanted to promote him. She did not ask for him to be promoted, much less decide unilaterally to promote him.

Obviously I'm not saying that because if you know how the Forces actually works you will know not everybody gets promoted to VSO level.

I'm not going to wade through the Gazette but I'd expect there will have been some fast movers in his peer group who will have made the rank.

Don't use my veteran's wife status for your own ends. I won't be the only member of the armed forces and veterans community on here, and its very distasteful. You don't have any grounds to report me, but you can if you wish. You've got plenty of other threads you are on for your monarchy views. I find it unpleasant that you actively seek other threads where you can try to derail the topic for your own satisfaction.

This poster absolutely has no knowledge of how the armed forces work and they are not particularly interested. They are only interested in popping up wherever possible to repeatedly shout their views on the monarchy- over and over again. And it doesn't particularly matter that the basis of some of their original arguments may be correct- that got lost a considerable while ago.

He deserves it. You are obviously ignorant about what the ceremony is for.

Have to ask - Is the "this poster" me or the person I was responding to?

The one you were responding to 👍

@prh47bridge

So you are claiming that the Royal Navy sought out Andrew to be appointed as Vice Admiral in 2015?

And it wasn’t in fact another trinket given to him by Elizabeth ?

Do you have any proof of this because it is in direct contradiction of all other sources ?

Ta..I read it that way then realised some here might choose to interpret it differently.

"monarch does not tell a regiment that they must appoint, say, Anne as Colonel-in-Chief or similar honorary roles. That is entirely a matter for the regiment. The monarch's only involvement when a royal is promoted through the ranks as opposed to being appointed to an honorary role, e.g. Andrew's promotion to Vice-Admiral. When a royal is promoted, that is a decision for the relevant service (army, navy or air force) but the promotion must be approved by the monarch. So the Queen could, and perhaps should, have blocked Andrew's promotion to Vice-Admiral, but it was the Royal Navy that wanted to promote him. She did not ask for him to be promoted, much less decide unilaterally to promote him"

It reads to me as they explained this from all angles.

I know the Queen requested the honorary promotion at the time. If she were still alive she would also have been the first to remove it following what Andrew has done.