To allow DD to buy this 'obscene' top?

[maggie2k]

DD14 just lost 10kg, went down from 62 to 52kg (she's pretty petite, only 160 cm tall) and wants to buy herself this top since she's now at a healthy weight for her age and was putting off buying new tops earlier because she didn't want them to stop fitting her: https://www.victoriassecret.co.uk/style/su826145/w96067

My sister thinks it's 'obscene' and a 'lingerie ad' as well as 'something she saw on social media' which is complete nonsense because she uses one of those granny flip phones and isn't on social media except discord, spotify and IRC (no idea if those count)

I don't see the problem honestly, there's nothing obscene about lingerie if you ask me in the 1st place, and VS has always made clothes

This is a photo of the top in the colour she wants it:

Your sister is nuts!

It’s not obscene at all and she should wear what she wants but I do wince a bit at the free advertising women and girls give to a company that was founded ‘to create a male-friendly environment enabling men to feel comfortable choosing excitingly exotic undergarments for their female partners or mistresses.’.

Yes I was going to mention this too. Pretty grubby.

wtf it’s a tshirt isn't it?

Buy your sister one for Christmas 😇

I was going to bring up all those cropped t-shirts that 13 year olds used to wear in the 90s which really were obscene. Not really in the same league is it?!

@Threefullskips the post I was responding to was quoted.

I didn't say anything about my life and men in it being uncontrollable stallions. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If the tiny rhinestones mean nothing why are they there?

Your sister is overreaching. it’s non of her business, and her language is over the top. To call anything your school age niece is going to wear “obscene” is pretty obscene in itself.

It’s a t-shirt. It’s fine.

All that matters is that your daughter likes it, and you’re fine with her choices.

Your sister sounds pretty toxic tbh

@maralagagirl to make an otherwise bog standard grey t shirt a bit more interesting, to add a bit of pizazz and glamour. Loads of reasons, none nefarious.

It's hardly a new phenomenon, putting the name of your shop on your products, especially if the demographic likes it.

If it was the leisurewear of my dd choice, I would buy it for her. She needs to associate with her peers, not her mum.

I certainly wouldn't be buying anything from Victoria's Secret - they used trans models last year. Yes, two men who say they're women were modelling underwear for women, and putting two female models out of a job.

Not remotely obscene!

I originally commented saying that I couldn't see anything obscene about it as it just looked like a normal top, which was my immediate reaction.
Then read the comments and realised I'd temporarily forgotten where I was which was MN😁
So the fact it says Victoria Secret on the front is a definite no go as means your dd is aligning with sluts (or something) and it means women's knickers
Someone who is trans apparently featured in an advert too and that's another no go as cosplaying women, outrage, no better than blackface etc etc

FHS what's wrong with EVERYONE overthinking stuff!! It's a T SHIRT!

It’s a t shirt and she’s a teenager wanting to explore her personality. If this is the biggest battle you have with a 14 year old then wow she’s a good kid. Just wondering if your sister wore anything from French Connection when she was a teenager and their branding was ‘FCUK’ which was far more in your face sexualisation than a simple VS logo.

Yes, totally the same as Playboy bunny logos in the 90s. It's tacky and understandable why your sister thinks an inappropriate association, but not obscene in it s own right - it's just a t-shirt. And actually, not as bad as Playboy because VS is just lingerie and Playboy was soft porn.

God forbid we teach 14 year old girls that they have to not wear certain items or certain brands just incase a male decides the twinkling rhinestones drive him into a wild frenzy

I loved my FC tees back in the 90s. I had 'Bristol cities' and another that said 'kiss me quick, fcuk me slowly'.

OP, I'm a bit baffled that a t-shirt your daughter is considering buying is even a topic of conversation with your sister!

Good luck “teaching” teenage girls to only wear clothes their 40/50 something mothers approve of 😀. Have you ever met a teenage girl!!

14-15 are the worst years for this. My hard won advice (and numerous friends who’ve parented both easy and challenging teens) is pick your battles and clothes definitely is not the one to choose. Go in hard on clothes and upset them / damage their confidence and trash your relationship with them. All because you care what the neighbors / your sister might think about their outfits. Not great parenting.

Its a standard fitted T shirt popular amongst teens.
Tbh i'm concerned about the person who thinks this is "obscene" and "lingerie" because its a simple grey t shirt because that seems irrational.
If its the logo (rhinestone victorias secret) thats the issue,Victorias secrets makes clothing from fleecy pjs to sports wear not just underwear.

It’s way better than us walking around in playboy logos back in the day 😆. And yes not comparable to Ann summers. A plain grey t shirt with a discreet logo should be so far down the list of vetos for a teen that you cant even see the list 😆

For the same reason any clothing brand displays their logo. So it differentiates the item from other brands or unbranded clothing!

I attempted to wear a lot worse when I was that age. Let your daughter crack on.

It's fine. It looks like any other top kids her age wear.

I think its a pyjama top.