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To not invite DM for Xmas knowing she's alone with MH illness

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SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 14:31

I don't know what to do.
DM is 76.
Lives alone.
Zero friends - can't maintain healthy relationships due to lack of boundaries or understanding about how her behaviour impacts on others.
Lifelong mental illness which is untreated as she won't engage with mental health services or her GP. The reason for her refusing to engage is due to the mental illness itself.
Mixture of unstable PD, lifelong depression, clinical anxiety, PTSD, self harm, self neglect, emotional dysregulation, ASD and ADHD.
Refuses medication and refuses therapy - lifelong refusal.
Her MI caused a caused a difficult childhood for DB and me and I carry this with me through my adulthood.
She raised us as a single parent.
DB is now NC with DM for his own MH protection and he aportions a lot of blame on her for his own depression and anxiety.
All of our extended family are NC with DM due to the emotional difficulties and challenges she presents in trying to maintain a long standing relationship.
Christmas is a huge MH trigger for her.
We have her to stay for a few days over Christmas and it is very hard work.
She is an emotional rollercoaster between being irritable, snapping at me and DH, talking in a stream of consciousness about her ongoing difficulties, devastation about not seeing DB and his children at Christmas anymore, crying, desperately wanting to spend every waking minute with my DC over Christmas on an emotional level whilst at the same time showing a complete lack of engagement with them on a demonstratable level, being non stop highly stressed, anxious, zero ability to sit through a kids Christmas movie with them or play a game with them, too distracted to get through a conversation with - she can't keep track of anything I try to talk to her about, and physically as unhelpful towards the general busyness of Christmas as it's possible to be. Sits there for entire days not moving. Doesn't occur to her to pitch in and help.
It's just bloody hard work and I feel like crying at the thought of another Christmas like it.
When the DC were little they'd bounce around excitedly not noticing all this. But they're getting older now and are beginning to pick up on things.
The thing is DM isn't mentally unwell but lovely with it. She isn't vulnerable in the sense that she leaves you feeling like you want to look after her. She's verbally argumentative all the time. She's hostile. She never smiles. She's paranoid in a negative way. She's accusatory. She can start an attack of arguing out of nowhere. Her conversation just goes round and round in a negative spiral. Every word she utters is negative. Endless moaning. I can have a completely neutral expression on my face and she'll argue at me for looking at her in an angry way.
I must add that we really are nice to her. Buy all her favourite food. Adapt food and cooking to her liking. Abandon family activities that DH and DC and me enjoy because she doesn't want to do them. Tip toe around her endlessly changing mood. Buy her really thoughtful and lovely gifts. Turn down social offers we'd personally love to accept because she stays for days. Pick her up. Drive her home. We appease her on every level.
And then after it's all over, she'll spend days texting me about how she knows me and DH hate her but she only comes to stay so tbat she can see my DC who she regularly tells me are her only reason for living.
The older I'm getting the more she is impacting on my wellbeing. I'm pretty strong and I think I've been pretty emotionally resilient through my life, considering I've been raised by a mother who's been like tgis my whole life. But strangely, I feel more affected by her behaviour in my middle age now than I did in my 20s and 30s, even though it has now been much longer since I lived with her (I left home at 18 which I spent 2 decades being either cried at or argued at about, with her blaming me for abandonment). I don't quite understand why it's all affecting me more now at this age.
So......I can hear you all thinking dont invite her over then. But the alternative is she sits at home alone with the TV and a microwave meal, and despite how impossible she is to get along with, I know about her life traumas and I understand those traumas are the reason for her illness, and knowing that makes me feel like I'd spend the entire Christmas feeling such guilt that I wouldn't enjoy it anyway.
I have tried all my life to support and love her.
But I can feel my brain is beginning to change now, after the effects of all these years of dealing with this.
And I just want to say - I hate serious mental illness. I really truly hate it and all it's harmful, toxic, devastating repercussions.
I hate it. I feel defeated by it.😞

OP posts:
BMW6 · 14/11/2025 12:43

Just limit her visit OP! Pick her up Christmas Day mid morning, take her home after tea, say 7pm.

She can take it or not come at all.

Wethers121 · 14/11/2025 13:31

@CrystalPalaceNoLongersorry I don’t! It’s always resonated with me as my DC now the age I was when my parents split and our lives got turned upside down. I’ve never thought about my childhood much until now and a lot of not very nice things are coming back!

longtompot · 14/11/2025 14:14

Anyway my point being I can assure you she isn't like the way ive described towards my DC. It's all done out of their earshot or out of their line of vision. This is why they've never noticed before, but now they're beginning to be more aware of what's going on around them and so I think they, well my older one at least, might start to notice this year

As I've seen posted in cases of domestic abuse, the children always hear what is going on but never say. This is abuse, your mum is abusing you in your own home as she did when you lived in hers.
I really wouldn't feel bad about not having her over for Christmas. I feel for her that she has had such an awful life, but you do not deserve her vitriol.
I feel, though hard to do, you need to do as your brother and go no contact. She needs to get help, but sadly I don't think she will as she won't feel she is worth it.

If you did want to do something to make sure she isn't alone, are there any voluntary organisations near her where she can go somewhere for Christmas Day? I'm not sure if such things exist outside of things for homeless people, but there might be something. Obviously she'll have to go but that is up to her.

But @SimplyPie you don't owe her anything. Your home is your sanctuary and your families sanctuary 💐

MeetMyCat · 14/11/2025 14:21

I have a brother who used to come to us for Christmas Day, no one else would have him, but he used to spoil the day. I persisted with this for years, out of guilt, but one of my friends talked some sense into me and I don't invite him any more. I still feel a bit bad about it, but my Christmases (and DH's) are important too.

Currymaker · 14/11/2025 14:33

This is a no-brainer because it's your duty to protect your children from the unhappy atmosphere she creates. The only time you need to feel guilty is if you subject them to her toxic behaviour. Perhaps see her briefly soon after Christmas, ( maybe not before, in case she persuades you to change your mind)for a meal or something). She'll try to guilt trip you, perhaps even threaten suicide, but her choices are hers and hers alone.

Hoipers · 14/11/2025 14:37

Absolutely do not have her for Christmas.
You are crying at the thought of it.
Of course that impacts your children.

You had a miserable childhood at her hands, and now you are gifting her these precious years.

Absolutely not.
Your brother has done the right thing.
Good for him.
Stop putting her first ahead of your children.

You are so wrong to do this.

Put your MH first, ahead of her, so that you can be happy with your children.

Your children and you deserve this time.

herebehippos · 14/11/2025 14:41

SimplyPie · 14/11/2025 06:42

"The bit I don’t get is why do you bend over backwards to try and make her happy? You know by now that it’s not going to work. But you’re still doing it. Why is that? It sounds like every year you reward her shitty behaviour 🤷‍♀️."
I get why this must sound hard to understand.
The answer to your question is, I try and look after her because she is a victim of lifelong trauma. She's lived through an entire childhood of abuse. She was raped as a teenager. She's lived through years of DV as an adult. She's lived through violent SA. She lived in an abusive relationship as an adult. She has been physically seriously attacked and had her life threatened. She has been rejected by her family. Called a liar by her siblings and they cut her out of their lives when she told them of her childhood abuse. She lost her best friend to suicide - she killed herself due to severe PND and DM has never recovered from finding her. Her first husband (my father) had an affair. Her second husband (my stepdad) committed suicide. With her 3rd partner, she lost our family home due to DV and financial coersion from an abusive and terrorising man. She was in danger and was housed in a refuge (I'd left home at that point and was living in Uni halls). Now her DS is NC and the cycle of her trauma continues.
I have a photo of her as a little girl, no older than 10. She looks so innocent, but when I look carefully, she already has pain in her eyes. I look at that photo and think, you didn't deserve what had already happened to you by then, and you didn't deserve the life of trauma ahead of you.
That's why I'm still doing it.

My abusive parent has a similar tale of woe. Their suffering doesnt give them a right to abuse others. It doesnt give them a get out of jail card to fail to parent and fail to seek help.
The cycle of trauma will only stop when you stop letting her abuse you. Because that is what is happening.
You are enabling her, at the expense of your emotional wellbeing.
When a person rescues someone drowning there's a significant risk of being pulled under and drowning yourself- this is why members of the public often die in such rescue attempts- meaning we'll is no substitute for professional training.
Your mum might be drowning in grief and pain, but you are not the person who can rescue her. You are not trained and she doesnt want to be saved. Stop letting her pull you under and prioritise yourself.

HRTQueen · 14/11/2025 14:44

I am in a very similar relationship with my mum op please put yourself and family first. Nothing will change for your mum, but it will for you and improve if you step back, the guilt gets easier to live with

your mum has made choices and this has lead to her being where she is

i didn't see my mum last Christmas, i know she was on her own and i did not feel guilty. I have had a whole life time of feeling guilt, worry, embarrassment, shame around my mum and i know understand nothing will change for her and she wants to be reliant as much as she can on me and only i can put a stop to that

you have nothing to feel guilty about

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 14/11/2025 15:22

You can’t help someone who won’t help themselves. And she clearly won’t help herself. I understand the guilt, but you cannot sacrifice your own happiness trying to appease her. From your description she was abusive to you as a child, and still is now. Stop letting her do this to you. Don’t let her do it to your children either. Enough is enough.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 14/11/2025 15:28

SimplyPie · 14/11/2025 06:42

"The bit I don’t get is why do you bend over backwards to try and make her happy? You know by now that it’s not going to work. But you’re still doing it. Why is that? It sounds like every year you reward her shitty behaviour 🤷‍♀️."
I get why this must sound hard to understand.
The answer to your question is, I try and look after her because she is a victim of lifelong trauma. She's lived through an entire childhood of abuse. She was raped as a teenager. She's lived through years of DV as an adult. She's lived through violent SA. She lived in an abusive relationship as an adult. She has been physically seriously attacked and had her life threatened. She has been rejected by her family. Called a liar by her siblings and they cut her out of their lives when she told them of her childhood abuse. She lost her best friend to suicide - she killed herself due to severe PND and DM has never recovered from finding her. Her first husband (my father) had an affair. Her second husband (my stepdad) committed suicide. With her 3rd partner, she lost our family home due to DV and financial coersion from an abusive and terrorising man. She was in danger and was housed in a refuge (I'd left home at that point and was living in Uni halls). Now her DS is NC and the cycle of her trauma continues.
I have a photo of her as a little girl, no older than 10. She looks so innocent, but when I look carefully, she already has pain in her eyes. I look at that photo and think, you didn't deserve what had already happened to you by then, and you didn't deserve the life of trauma ahead of you.
That's why I'm still doing it.

You don’t deserve what she’s doing to you now. I hadn’t read all your posts when I first replied (I should know better), so I’d assumed she was also nasty to your children. Being nice to them an awful to you could end up with her turning them against you. I’ve seen that happen. Children are very mouldable like that. I think telling her in no uncertain terms that she is not welcome under your roof while she continues to treat you so badly. You’re right, she is choosing to do it, she is deliberately abusive towards you while being nice to your children. I think you will really regret letting her get away with it if you don’t step in now.

rickyrickygrimes · 14/11/2025 18:25

SimplyPie · 14/11/2025 06:42

"The bit I don’t get is why do you bend over backwards to try and make her happy? You know by now that it’s not going to work. But you’re still doing it. Why is that? It sounds like every year you reward her shitty behaviour 🤷‍♀️."
I get why this must sound hard to understand.
The answer to your question is, I try and look after her because she is a victim of lifelong trauma. She's lived through an entire childhood of abuse. She was raped as a teenager. She's lived through years of DV as an adult. She's lived through violent SA. She lived in an abusive relationship as an adult. She has been physically seriously attacked and had her life threatened. She has been rejected by her family. Called a liar by her siblings and they cut her out of their lives when she told them of her childhood abuse. She lost her best friend to suicide - she killed herself due to severe PND and DM has never recovered from finding her. Her first husband (my father) had an affair. Her second husband (my stepdad) committed suicide. With her 3rd partner, she lost our family home due to DV and financial coersion from an abusive and terrorising man. She was in danger and was housed in a refuge (I'd left home at that point and was living in Uni halls). Now her DS is NC and the cycle of her trauma continues.
I have a photo of her as a little girl, no older than 10. She looks so innocent, but when I look carefully, she already has pain in her eyes. I look at that photo and think, you didn't deserve what had already happened to you by then, and you didn't deserve the life of trauma ahead of you.
That's why I'm still doing it.

But it doesn’t work, does it? No matter how much you sacrifice yourself, your husband, your children, your time, no matter how much you wrap up a ‘lovely family Christmas’ and present to her with a big ribbon on top, none of it makes her better, right? It doesn’t take her horrible past away. You are trying to heal a large gaping wound with a tiny band aid. You feel so guilty that she’s had a really shit life (and wow she’s made you aware of every detail) that you are willing to sacrifice all this to ‘make it better’. But it won’t, it can’t, it will never work. All it does is assuage your guilt in the moment.

Have you ever had therapy to talk all this through with a neutral person?

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SimplyPie · 23/11/2025 10:32

Thank you everyone who replied.
I see there are some messages deleted by mumsnet, I didn't see them, I am wondering what they contained for mumsnet to have deleted them.
Anyway, since I last posted, I have gone low contact.
I needed to for my own MH. Not no contact, but low contact.
Last weekend, I invited her round to have dinner with me and the children after school. Because they adore her and were asking me to invite her over. Initially she said yes. So I replied ok, and told DC she's coming over on Wednesday and they were happy. The next day she texted me and said "I've decided I'm not coming over on Wednesday now, so you can breath a sigh of relief." I said ok, and set about making plans to do something else after school that day instead. I told DC that nanny isn't coming after all and DS was disappointed and DD was upset. Wednesday came, I got home from work 30 mins before DC finish school, was rushing about getting ready to collect them and prepare for taking them out afterwards (I'd planned to take them swimming so was getting swim bags and snacks ready), and DM turned up in my back garden, knocking on the back door. I opened the door and said "You told me you're not coming over today" and I would have had a confused look on my face, because in my head I was thinking 'I told DC you're coming over and they were happy, then I told them you're not coming over and they were disappointed, so I've planned to take them swimming instead today, and now without any communication whatsoever about it you've turned up in my garden expecting to come in half an hour before I'm about to take them.' So yes, my face would have looked confused.
When I told her I thought she wasn't coming over because she'd texted me to say she wasn't coming, her reaction was one of anger, her face snarled at me, she grabbed her bag and 'faux' made out she was leaving because she was "obviously unwanted" and was angrily flying around being over dramatic about it being a wasted journey and then she started arguing angrily at me, scowling at me, having a go at me about not expecting her when it was me that had invited her over. Every time I said "but you texted me 3 days ago to say you're not coming and I haven't heard from you to say you'd changed your mind" she just kept arguing at me saying it was me who invited her and how dare I now have the audacity to make her feel unwelcome when she had come to see her grandchildren. It was a horrible scene and I had anxiety pumping through me.
Too much happened next to detail here, but the upshot is she ended up coming in, I made her a tea, got children from school, told them nanny was here, they looked confused but then pleased. I asked them do you still want to go swimming, they said no we'd rather see nanny at home.
She didn't argue at me once they were at home. She displayed her usual kind charmingness to them. I made dinner and cooked extra for her. We ate together at the table. DC chatted to her. I forced superficial level chit chat. Then 5 hours later we drove her to the station and she went home.
Next day I received a storming text attack from her accusing me of looking 'put out' when she arrived, arguing how dare I look so put out to see her when it was me who'd invited her, arguing at me that I barely ever invite her over, attacking me saying she has a right to see her grandchildren, on and on.
No thank you for having me stay 5 hours when you weren't expecting me. No thank you for dinner. No thank you for giving me a lift to the station. No thank you for changing your plans at the last minute to accommodate my arrival. No apology for turning up after saying she wasn't coming and not letting me know she was coming after all. Just full on angry attack at me.
So I stopped reading her texts and stopped replying for 1 week.
Yesterday I picked up her messages again, and she was messaging me about what Christmas presents she should buy DC, but it was all angry, raging texts, arguing at me for buying them presents from me that she had wanted to buy them from her, arguing at me for not giving her ideas about what she can buy them, arguing at me for not seeing her regularly enough, arguing at me for not being in contact with her since she came round, arguing at me for not keeping in contact with her enough in general....oh my God, great long angry texts attacking me. When I'm at home looking after my children.
And then came a text from her telling me she's going to kill herself and it is my fault because I have caused her to have mental health problems because I dont keep in contact with her regularly enough and I dont see her regularly enough.
So, my mother has told me she's planning to commit suicide all because of me. According to her she will be dead within the next few days.
I haven't answered her since she sent that text yesterday afternoon.
I was facilitating a playdate with DD's friends round and was busy trying to hold my emotions together to carry on looking after them and give them a nice time, meanwhile getting a tirade of abusive texts and a suicide threat.
And now I've got out of control anxiety and DH has had to take DC out this morning so that they don't see me in this unsettled state.
So what do I do now?

OP posts:
Member984815 · 23/11/2025 10:43

Firstly , this isn't your fault . The suicide threat is disgusting and an attempt to make you fall in line . If she continues this threat tell her you are alerting the proper services for her because you can't help her. You need to take care of yourself and consider going no contact .

Zempy · 23/11/2025 10:50

Honestly I would block her.

ChoccieCornflake · 23/11/2025 10:59

OMG that is appalling of her! What you do, right away, is call the police and ask them to do a welfare check on her because she has threatened suicide. Not because I think she will kill herself, but because her actions need to have consequences. You should have no contact with her for however long it takes you to feel stable again. Massive hugs. Yes she has had a horrific life of abuse, but she is now CHOOSING to abuse you. That is not OK. You didn't cause any of this, and you don't have the power to change her.

Bleurghie · 23/11/2025 11:03

If she is nearby, can you pop into hers first thing with a lunch, stay for a cuppa, then leave her to it? X

MollyKelly · 23/11/2025 11:04

OP what is it going to take for you to end contact with her? She is abusing you and apparently being nice to your children, but she will eventually start on them.

Mumsworkneverdone · 23/11/2025 11:04

Hi OP , I’m so sorry but sounds like you are sacrificing your own mental health for your mums. You say your dc don’t see this but they must feel the impact on you and the chaotic environment when she does strange things and change plans. As a mum you have a responsibility to your own family. Drop the rope, you wouldn’t be posting here if it was ok. You know it’s not. Some people are too toxic to help as you end up damaging yourself in the process.

dairydebris · 23/11/2025 11:09

Oh OP I feel for you.
Is there any chance she's so angry with you because your life has turned out so much better than hers did? The bitterness in the way she deals with you really stands out to me.

I really do think you need to cut contact with her for at least a while.

Send her a text saying that you went out of your way to welcome her into your home abd all you've had in return is anger. Tell her you wont be putting up with this anymore in your own home, and that youre taking a break from spending time with her and talking to her. Then give yourself at least a few months. For the sake of your own sanity.

Dont have her for Christmas.

I hope you have a wonderful one yourself away from the worry if being with her.

HoppityBun · 23/11/2025 11:10

Bleurghie · 23/11/2025 11:03

If she is nearby, can you pop into hers first thing with a lunch, stay for a cuppa, then leave her to it? X

That was going to be my query, too. Could you take one or more DC with you?

If you can do this, I’d suggest doing it as early as possible so it’s out of the way and not hanging over you on The Day.

I expect she’s not able to WhatsApp or FaceTime but in the olden days, a decade or so ago, a Christmas Day telephone call was traditional. If you could do that and perhaps visit on Boxing Day?

I sympathise about mental health. It ruined a friendship of mine and I watch my friend’s deterioration from afar and remember how she used to be. She’s a different person now.

Have you thought about contacting a mental health helpline?

HoppityBun · 23/11/2025 11:10

Bleurghie · 23/11/2025 11:03

If she is nearby, can you pop into hers first thing with a lunch, stay for a cuppa, then leave her to it? X

That was going to be my query, too. Could you take one or more DC with you?

If you can do this, I’d suggest doing it as early as possible so it’s out of the way and not hanging over you on The Day.

I expect she’s not able to WhatsApp or FaceTime but in the olden days, a decade or so ago, a Christmas Day telephone call was traditional. If you could do that and perhaps visit on Boxing Day?

I sympathise about mental health. It ruined a friendship of mine and I watch my friend’s deterioration from afar and remember how she used to be. She’s a different person now.

Have you thought about contacting a mental health helpline?

Bleurghie · 23/11/2025 11:11

Just seen your update OP, please ignore my message above. Take care of yourself and your family. I don't know what to say.

I would consider phoning her DR as she sounds like she has lost it.

MooDengOfThailand · 23/11/2025 11:15

Wow she has the full English breakfast of neurodiversity.
Don't invite her.
She sounds dreadful.
You need to go non contact with her.

She's one of those ones who'll probably live to be 99, or something.
This could be the very long haul for you.

I would bail now.

Consideringparttime · 23/11/2025 11:20

Right now OP you need to call the police to do a welfare check. Show your mum that you have taken it seriously and she needs to know that her actions have consequences.

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