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To not invite DM for Xmas knowing she's alone with MH illness

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SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 14:31

I don't know what to do.
DM is 76.
Lives alone.
Zero friends - can't maintain healthy relationships due to lack of boundaries or understanding about how her behaviour impacts on others.
Lifelong mental illness which is untreated as she won't engage with mental health services or her GP. The reason for her refusing to engage is due to the mental illness itself.
Mixture of unstable PD, lifelong depression, clinical anxiety, PTSD, self harm, self neglect, emotional dysregulation, ASD and ADHD.
Refuses medication and refuses therapy - lifelong refusal.
Her MI caused a caused a difficult childhood for DB and me and I carry this with me through my adulthood.
She raised us as a single parent.
DB is now NC with DM for his own MH protection and he aportions a lot of blame on her for his own depression and anxiety.
All of our extended family are NC with DM due to the emotional difficulties and challenges she presents in trying to maintain a long standing relationship.
Christmas is a huge MH trigger for her.
We have her to stay for a few days over Christmas and it is very hard work.
She is an emotional rollercoaster between being irritable, snapping at me and DH, talking in a stream of consciousness about her ongoing difficulties, devastation about not seeing DB and his children at Christmas anymore, crying, desperately wanting to spend every waking minute with my DC over Christmas on an emotional level whilst at the same time showing a complete lack of engagement with them on a demonstratable level, being non stop highly stressed, anxious, zero ability to sit through a kids Christmas movie with them or play a game with them, too distracted to get through a conversation with - she can't keep track of anything I try to talk to her about, and physically as unhelpful towards the general busyness of Christmas as it's possible to be. Sits there for entire days not moving. Doesn't occur to her to pitch in and help.
It's just bloody hard work and I feel like crying at the thought of another Christmas like it.
When the DC were little they'd bounce around excitedly not noticing all this. But they're getting older now and are beginning to pick up on things.
The thing is DM isn't mentally unwell but lovely with it. She isn't vulnerable in the sense that she leaves you feeling like you want to look after her. She's verbally argumentative all the time. She's hostile. She never smiles. She's paranoid in a negative way. She's accusatory. She can start an attack of arguing out of nowhere. Her conversation just goes round and round in a negative spiral. Every word she utters is negative. Endless moaning. I can have a completely neutral expression on my face and she'll argue at me for looking at her in an angry way.
I must add that we really are nice to her. Buy all her favourite food. Adapt food and cooking to her liking. Abandon family activities that DH and DC and me enjoy because she doesn't want to do them. Tip toe around her endlessly changing mood. Buy her really thoughtful and lovely gifts. Turn down social offers we'd personally love to accept because she stays for days. Pick her up. Drive her home. We appease her on every level.
And then after it's all over, she'll spend days texting me about how she knows me and DH hate her but she only comes to stay so tbat she can see my DC who she regularly tells me are her only reason for living.
The older I'm getting the more she is impacting on my wellbeing. I'm pretty strong and I think I've been pretty emotionally resilient through my life, considering I've been raised by a mother who's been like tgis my whole life. But strangely, I feel more affected by her behaviour in my middle age now than I did in my 20s and 30s, even though it has now been much longer since I lived with her (I left home at 18 which I spent 2 decades being either cried at or argued at about, with her blaming me for abandonment). I don't quite understand why it's all affecting me more now at this age.
So......I can hear you all thinking dont invite her over then. But the alternative is she sits at home alone with the TV and a microwave meal, and despite how impossible she is to get along with, I know about her life traumas and I understand those traumas are the reason for her illness, and knowing that makes me feel like I'd spend the entire Christmas feeling such guilt that I wouldn't enjoy it anyway.
I have tried all my life to support and love her.
But I can feel my brain is beginning to change now, after the effects of all these years of dealing with this.
And I just want to say - I hate serious mental illness. I really truly hate it and all it's harmful, toxic, devastating repercussions.
I hate it. I feel defeated by it.😞

OP posts:
RickertyRocker · 13/11/2025 15:07

Put your DC first.

Christmas is a season. There is plenty of time to plan an alternative on another day, a meal or activity. They can chose what they want to eat.

I have been in a similar position with an elderly in law. I felt beholden for a few years and regret it now and don't feel guilty. Their siblings have not stepped up, mostly due to continued bad behaviour and rudeness.

You don't get to be unkind and rude 24/7/365 and play the 'it's Christmas' joker.

Joeylove88 · 13/11/2025 15:14

You need to give yourself permission to say no to hosting her at Christmas and protect your children from a toxic environment which is what it is. The biggest battle you face with this situation is the one you are having with yourself for feeling obliged to not leave her alone but she is the making of her own choices and has caused enough damage over the years without it seeping onto your children! Be strong OP and break this chain.

OneNewLeader · 13/11/2025 15:19

What does your DH say about this? Could you make coming to see you, contingent on getting the helps she needs? I know something of the issue you are talking about, I ended up 'losing my licence', strangely the visits were way more infrequent, because I stopped enabling them.

Nocookiesforme · 13/11/2025 15:20

Firstly, a big hug for you @SimplyPie
You need to give yourself permission to drop the rope. You need to admit to yourself that you have done everything that you possibly could but now it's time for you to put your children, DH and you first.

Your parental relationship has been reversed with you as the adult and she as a small child. She refuses to take treatment and uses you as an emotional/mental punchbag because, for her, it is easiest. She doesn't have to work on herself because you 'enable' her continued behaviour which I know is hard to consider or admit to yourself. You are not responsible for how she is or how she got there but you can save yourself from continuing this misery by drawing red lines and sticking to them. Tell her that your family will be doing things differently this year and commit yourself to doing other things whether that's just your unit or with others but that you'll come and see her Christmas Eve and then again between Christmas and New Year (or similar).
If she kicks off then so be it - let her. She doesn't get to hold you all hostage year after year like she does because of her MH. You have been brilliant and loving when she's been unappreciative (at best) and hostile and you have to let go now before you turn your DC's Christmas's into ones very much like your own childhood ones - ask yourself how is that fair? Have you had therapy for your own childhood traumas? I think some therapy and coaching on how to deal with the inevitable push back would be invaluable at this stage because you sound.....defeated emotionally by her and that is all wrong.

Wethers121 · 13/11/2025 15:26

I read once that you when your own children become the age you were when you suffered childhood trauma, it brings it all back to you.

Is there a way you can balance this? Spend just the day with her instead of her staying for days. Offer to pick her up Xmas morning and drop her off that night? If she isn’t happy with that- tough. I think you can probably get some compromise here on what you want to do balanced with what you feel you have to do.

I know a lot of responses will tell you to just not invite here but I totally understand the guilt as I’m the exact same way and I’m sorry to say I couldn’t exclude her either in this situation.

frozendaisy · 13/11/2025 15:33

This is what I am thinking now I've hit the menopause, that as women start losing oestrogen we start thinking more like men.

Look at your DB @SimplyPie - you are starting to just think a bit more like him I reckon, not saying you are menopausal but I would guess that your levels are starting to drop.

It is assumed in many families that it will be the females that carry the emotional duties. And that includes you thinking that if you don't have your mum at your house she will be at home alone. Your brother doesn't care.

I don't know what you should do. Sounds like you are going to get the emotional blackmail either way.

Offer to take the kids to drop in on her on Christmas Eve perhaps? Go early, leave after lunch, or take her out for lunch. Drop presents off. Say Merry Christmas to grandma, she gets to go to the local pub or something with her grandchildren and you get to get in the car, get home Christmas Eve and shut the door.

Obligations ticked off.
Christmas Day onwards more peaceful?

You could present this option as a take it or leave it mother.

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:35

Sorry I meant to include this bit in my OP but I was upset whilst typing it and edited it out by mistake...
Just to say she is SO LOVELY with my DC. She actually loves them to pieces and they love her right back. She buys them wonderful presents and spoils them. Constantly praises them and is honestly loving towards them.
I said she doesn't engage with them, what I meant was she doesn't play games with them or go out for a dog walk with them or get down on the rug looking at their presents with them or watch their Xmas movies with them. But in her manner towards them she is lovely to them.
It quite confuses my emotions because whilst it is nice that she's so lovely to them, at the same time it demonstrates to me that a. She isn't lovely to me, ever, but quite clearly knows how to be nice, and b. she was never lovely to me like that when I was a child and this upsets me.
Anyway my point being I can assure you she isn't like the way ive described towards my DC. It's all done out of their earshot or out of their line of vision. This is why they've never noticed before, but now they're beginning to be more aware of what's going on around them and so I think they, well my older one at least, might start to notice this year.
Just want to make it clear I'd never allow her to subject her behaviour on to them directly.
It's just me she vents at.
DH doesn't really know what to make of it all really. Think he finds it all a bit too complex.

OP posts:
DaisyChain505 · 13/11/2025 15:38

Please stop subjecting your children to having to witness and be around this toxic behaviour.

it doesn’t matter if she’s lovely to them, they’re having to witness her behaviour in every other way.

Luckyingame · 13/11/2025 15:38

Not your problem.
Full stop.

TheHappenings · 13/11/2025 15:39

Op, look after you and your family. Feel no guilt in having Christmas time to yourself this year; you've done more than enough! It sounds like dm would be happier pottering on her own, given she is so grumpy when in company, especially when Christmas is already triggering. Look at it like you're doing her a favour too, she can avoid Christmas altogether! There is nothing worse when people refuse to help themselves and continue the toxicity, and then expect everybody else to put up with it.

mumonthehill · 13/11/2025 15:43

She is making choices, she chooses not to get help to try and get better, she chooses to lose your DB because of this, she chooses to manipulate you so you do what she wants, she chooses to continue to abuse you. Her choices are not your responsibility, you can ask her to choose differently, to be kind to you, to appreciate all you do but if she does not change then you have every right to step back. You and your family deserve a fabulous Christmas without this stress. So please be kind to yourself this year.

XWKD · 13/11/2025 15:44

I'm sure you'd have her if you could, but it doesn't sound like an option.

MC846 · 13/11/2025 15:44

Honestly stop putting yourself through it. Your mother may have difficulties but she's a grown woman and she's not your responsibility. I went NC with a parent for these reasons, they'll never meet my children as I want to protect them from a very toxic individual. You're allowed to put yourself and your own family first hon xx

FrangipaniBlue · 13/11/2025 15:46

Can you invite her over and slip something in her food/drink?

that way you don’t feel the guilt of leaving her out but she’d be “toned down a bit”……

I’m (half) joking…….. 🙃 🤣

no don’t invite her and don’t feel a bit guilty but I know that’s easier said than done……

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:50

DaisyChain505 · 13/11/2025 15:38

Please stop subjecting your children to having to witness and be around this toxic behaviour.

it doesn’t matter if she’s lovely to them, they’re having to witness her behaviour in every other way.

Edited

They don't though.
It's all out of their earshot/eyeshot/different rooms.

OP posts:
Parsleyforme · 13/11/2025 15:53

It sounds like she’s made her own bed.
If you really wanted to you could visit her for a couple of hours for gift opening and then come back.
But I would probably not invite her and go low contact. If she has refused help for her illness then she has to deal with the consequences of that.
I would even consider telling the conditions of her being invited next year (MH help etc.)

Screwyousimon · 13/11/2025 15:53

It makes it even worse than that she just saves her poor behaviour for you. She knows wrong from right and saves her abuse to hurt the person who is helping her the most.

user593 · 13/11/2025 15:55

My DM behaves similarly. I went NC last year and we had our first Christmas without her. It was hard but also so much easier. That said, my DM isn’t good with my children (very short attention span for anyone but herself and her interests), which made the decision easier. In your case I would feel torn.

Nocookiesforme · 13/11/2025 15:58

@SimplyPie
I think that her behaviour towards your DC looks lovely to you because you never got that from her yourself. Anything your children get from her does indeed look loving & beautiful but it's not really because it's on her terms - she only does what she wants to do.
She's nice to your DC and is adored in return which in turn feeds something in her psyche and when she's full of adoration then she cuts off the 'nice' and ignores/becomes 'cold'. This is why she doesn't get involved in the things that your children do because she's sated that 'need' and it's affirmation for her that she's loved - yes, it's that fucked up.
Imagine that you invite a vampire to stay. The vampire is hungry so it takes 'a little drink' from the family children just enough to sate it's thirst but enough for you not to think anything is off because you don't know what you're seeing. Meanwhile you and DH are more worried about the vampire slaughtering your pets/other people which obviously doesn't happen and that leaves you relieved that nothing really bad has happened. The vampire goes home and then berates you from the safety of it's lair for being a bad host and not accommodating it enough or not being welcoming etc. Can you see the similarity here?
What do you think is going to happen when your children get older and they're not so adoring of her? That won't take long you know.

Please get some therapy for yourself so that you can unpick what is a complex situation and relationship.

DaisyChain505 · 13/11/2025 16:06

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:50

They don't though.
It's all out of their earshot/eyeshot/different rooms.

You may think that but children aren’t stupid. They pick up on tension in the air, peoples body language and hear and see more than you know.

protect them.

RancidRuby · 13/11/2025 16:08

Your kids will aware of more than you think, they will be picking up on the atmosphere at the very least and as they get older will see their mum being treated like shit by their grandmother, it's likely one of them may become her scapegoat too. Just drop the rope, her mental health issues aren't her fault but neither are they your fault. You've done enough for her, time to prioritise yourself.

nellietheellie75 · 13/11/2025 16:15

I had this with my dm, though her MH isn't as bad she still suffers but has always refused to get help. I invited her for Christmas dinner, and am ashamed to say I breathed a sigh of relief when she turned me down. Last Christmas she went on and on about my dad- they split up 40 odd years ago!!

WhoAteAllTheDinosaurs · 13/11/2025 16:17

Her issues may have been caused by trauma, but she has repeatedly made a choice not to deal with it, not to engage with any sort of treatment or help. That has been her choice, and not just once.
You don't need to enable her, you don't owe her anything. She has (repeatedly) made her bed, now she gets to lie in it.

Misanthropologie · 13/11/2025 16:18

I'd cut her loose if I were you.

Delphiniumandlupins · 13/11/2025 16:19

I was going to say that your Christmas sounds miserable for everybody but then you explained that your mother can be loving towards your DC. However, if you don't invite her for Christmas won't everyone be at least as happy, if not more so? You could decide to visit, or have her visit, another day. There will be less pressure on everybody. I think you will feel (wrongly) guilty but you need to try something different.