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To not invite DM for Xmas knowing she's alone with MH illness

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SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 14:31

I don't know what to do.
DM is 76.
Lives alone.
Zero friends - can't maintain healthy relationships due to lack of boundaries or understanding about how her behaviour impacts on others.
Lifelong mental illness which is untreated as she won't engage with mental health services or her GP. The reason for her refusing to engage is due to the mental illness itself.
Mixture of unstable PD, lifelong depression, clinical anxiety, PTSD, self harm, self neglect, emotional dysregulation, ASD and ADHD.
Refuses medication and refuses therapy - lifelong refusal.
Her MI caused a caused a difficult childhood for DB and me and I carry this with me through my adulthood.
She raised us as a single parent.
DB is now NC with DM for his own MH protection and he aportions a lot of blame on her for his own depression and anxiety.
All of our extended family are NC with DM due to the emotional difficulties and challenges she presents in trying to maintain a long standing relationship.
Christmas is a huge MH trigger for her.
We have her to stay for a few days over Christmas and it is very hard work.
She is an emotional rollercoaster between being irritable, snapping at me and DH, talking in a stream of consciousness about her ongoing difficulties, devastation about not seeing DB and his children at Christmas anymore, crying, desperately wanting to spend every waking minute with my DC over Christmas on an emotional level whilst at the same time showing a complete lack of engagement with them on a demonstratable level, being non stop highly stressed, anxious, zero ability to sit through a kids Christmas movie with them or play a game with them, too distracted to get through a conversation with - she can't keep track of anything I try to talk to her about, and physically as unhelpful towards the general busyness of Christmas as it's possible to be. Sits there for entire days not moving. Doesn't occur to her to pitch in and help.
It's just bloody hard work and I feel like crying at the thought of another Christmas like it.
When the DC were little they'd bounce around excitedly not noticing all this. But they're getting older now and are beginning to pick up on things.
The thing is DM isn't mentally unwell but lovely with it. She isn't vulnerable in the sense that she leaves you feeling like you want to look after her. She's verbally argumentative all the time. She's hostile. She never smiles. She's paranoid in a negative way. She's accusatory. She can start an attack of arguing out of nowhere. Her conversation just goes round and round in a negative spiral. Every word she utters is negative. Endless moaning. I can have a completely neutral expression on my face and she'll argue at me for looking at her in an angry way.
I must add that we really are nice to her. Buy all her favourite food. Adapt food and cooking to her liking. Abandon family activities that DH and DC and me enjoy because she doesn't want to do them. Tip toe around her endlessly changing mood. Buy her really thoughtful and lovely gifts. Turn down social offers we'd personally love to accept because she stays for days. Pick her up. Drive her home. We appease her on every level.
And then after it's all over, she'll spend days texting me about how she knows me and DH hate her but she only comes to stay so tbat she can see my DC who she regularly tells me are her only reason for living.
The older I'm getting the more she is impacting on my wellbeing. I'm pretty strong and I think I've been pretty emotionally resilient through my life, considering I've been raised by a mother who's been like tgis my whole life. But strangely, I feel more affected by her behaviour in my middle age now than I did in my 20s and 30s, even though it has now been much longer since I lived with her (I left home at 18 which I spent 2 decades being either cried at or argued at about, with her blaming me for abandonment). I don't quite understand why it's all affecting me more now at this age.
So......I can hear you all thinking dont invite her over then. But the alternative is she sits at home alone with the TV and a microwave meal, and despite how impossible she is to get along with, I know about her life traumas and I understand those traumas are the reason for her illness, and knowing that makes me feel like I'd spend the entire Christmas feeling such guilt that I wouldn't enjoy it anyway.
I have tried all my life to support and love her.
But I can feel my brain is beginning to change now, after the effects of all these years of dealing with this.
And I just want to say - I hate serious mental illness. I really truly hate it and all it's harmful, toxic, devastating repercussions.
I hate it. I feel defeated by it.😞

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lizzyBennet08 · 13/11/2025 18:11

I'd suggest a half way house: all her but don't tip toe around her. Some people like this thrive on attention so don't feed that beast . Let us come and eat but ignore her rants and complaints and pretend not to notice her sulks .

BoyOhBoyFTM · 13/11/2025 18:11

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BoyOhBoyFTM · 13/11/2025 18:13

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:50

They don't though.
It's all out of their earshot/eyeshot/different rooms.

You are fooling yourself if you don't think they, at the very least, notice you being stressed and tense when she's around. Even very young children pick up on that.

Specialagentblond · 13/11/2025 18:25

You are not unreasonable to want a stress free Christmas.

you have a few options- book a flight, say no outright or have her for a small part of it. Eg Xmas afternoon or Christmas Eve as it suits you.

it might be less overwhelming to her as well.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 13/11/2025 18:30

Why does she have to stay for a few days? Is there a way to have smaller amounts of time with her there so you have time to enjoy yourselves as a family? Do you have to work on Boxing Day? Could you have her over on CD (as that is a hard day to be alone) but then set up your fun Christmas Eve and Boxing Day as a family?

OnToast81 · 13/11/2025 18:38

It sounds horrendous op and it’s easy for people without a mother like to just throw out.. Easy peasy just don’t invite her.
I have a mum like this, I’m 43 and went no contact 4 years ago, now I’m free of her it’s clearer to see I should have done it a lot sooner for my sons sake.
What would happen if you give her an ultimatum and told her some home truths. Tell her she ruined yours and DB childhood and you are not willing to watch her ruin Christmas for your children every year. Tell her you either speak to a doctor, try medication and therapy or you will also go no contact.

Tealtoffee21 · 13/11/2025 18:38

Can you have her over for just one day, Christmas Day or Boxing Day, so you don't feel guilty, and your kids get to see her over Christmas. It would be quite reasonable not to have her at all, but having her forva days is way too much for all of you.

If you decide not to have her to stay, remner that it's just one day - I've spent a few alone when my DS was with his Dad, and it's not the worst thing in the world. What does your mother really get out of having Christmas with you? Not joy anyway.

Would you think about going NC with her like your brother, to protect your mental health and your family's? As your kids get older, they're going to pick up on her problems, but mainly, you should think about doing it for you.

I am NC with my vile sister for about 10 years now, it's still a relief that I don't have to see her at all. It did impact on my relationships with my wider family, and my DS was confused and sad - she was like your mum, nice to him, as she didn't resent him for being born. But I wish I'd cut her off when I was 18.

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 18:39

Oh honestly have a break. Just say you want a quiet Christmas this year no visitors.

It isnt worth it. Yes shes alone but shes making your christmas stressful and miserable. Have a break and enjoy christmas

paulhollywoodshairgel · 13/11/2025 18:43

What would happen if you said to her you’re not welcome until you get help and start meds? Would that maybe give her a push or make her worse?

RandomMess · 13/11/2025 18:48

I would only have her for one day and tell her that you see how nice she is to the DC and she needs to be equally as kind to you & DH or she won’t be invited again.

She behaves like that to you because she feels entitled to.

PullTheBricksDown · 13/11/2025 18:49

I'm not surprised she wants to come. She gets to be bountiful grandma, you cook all her favourite things etc. And she also gets the psychological reward of telling you off for some imaginary sin. What's actually happened is that she's aware you will be watching her with your kids and thinking of how she wasn't like it with you. So she shifts you back into that childhood pattern by telling you you've done something wrong. Hey presto, you're on the back foot again, feeling guilty and trying not to upset her so much that she kicks off.

It might be worth saying when this happens 'you don't have to do this Mum. I'm not a kid anymore'. And give yourself permission not to want to please her at all costs. I'd put some very tight reins on the Christmas time you spend with her and not have her staying. How far away does she live?

HappyMummaOfOne · 13/11/2025 18:52

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:50

They don't though.
It's all out of their earshot/eyeshot/different rooms.

It isn’t though is it. You spend your time walking on eggshells so your children will be picking up on YOUR change of behaviour. They will be picking up on the tense atmosphere.
You turn down social events that your children and husband would enjoy because SHE doesn’t want to do them ….then she can sit at home alone!
You say she is lovely to your children but don’t mention how. She doesn’t play with them, she doesn’t go on walks with them, she can’t watch a movie with them…so how is she lovely? Is she lovely just because she buys a gift and isn’t verbally abusive towards them? If so that’s a pretty low bar you have set for her.
The rest of your family have gone NC for a reason. Coming to yours and then being nasty and abusive is quite frankly outrageous. Protect the family you have built because your mother is disruptive and does not deserve the special treatment you are giving her. Put you and your family first.

OriginalUsername2 · 13/11/2025 18:58

Once your children grow out of the cute and innocent stage, she’ll change towards them I think.

Of course she isn’t acting like a proper grandma and mum, she’s mentally ill. But I wonder if it would be worth telling her she ruins Christmas and you’re thinking of not having her there? Only you will know, but maybe there’s a part of her that can be warned that her behaviour is ruining her chances? Maybe it’s worth a go.

I feel bad for you because everyone else in your family got to cut her off knowing at least you would be there for her. You don’t have the same option as the last one standing. That’s a lot of guilt to hold alone.

Purplecatshopaholic · 13/11/2025 19:17

You say your kids don’t know or witness anything, but even if that were true they will soon enough as they get older. You need to give yourself permission to say no, not this year, I deserve a nice peaceful Christmas too. And you do.

Newbie125 · 13/11/2025 19:21

I grew up with a grandmother similar to this. Actually being around her even when she appeared kind was very traumatic and it got much worse as I got older. Although I understand none of it was her fault, it also wasn’t mine or that of my parents. My turning point came when I realised I wasn’t going to put my children through this by visiting any longer. I also realised I was making all this effort, causing me so much stress and it wasn’t actually helping her. She wouldn’t be any happier whether I made all the effort or not. As pp say, arrange a special meal for her on another day if you WANT to. You have done more than enough and what you want ( as well as your family) matters too.

Butterflywings84 · 13/11/2025 19:22

Why not just hav

Butterflywings84 · 13/11/2025 19:23

Why not just have her over for Christmas Day rather than several days?

CommanderTaggart · 13/11/2025 19:28

@SimplyPie how far away from you does she live? Can you and the family pop over there for Christmas dinner and then leave? Or go boxing day?
I’m guessing if that were an option you might already have thought of it though.

I understand that you don’t think you can leave her at home alone. But could you shorten her visit?

MsGrumpytrousers · 13/11/2025 19:35

You poor love! Could you do something but constrain it? Pay her a visit, take lots of treats, give her a meal but keep it to a few hours?

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2025 19:36

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:35

Sorry I meant to include this bit in my OP but I was upset whilst typing it and edited it out by mistake...
Just to say she is SO LOVELY with my DC. She actually loves them to pieces and they love her right back. She buys them wonderful presents and spoils them. Constantly praises them and is honestly loving towards them.
I said she doesn't engage with them, what I meant was she doesn't play games with them or go out for a dog walk with them or get down on the rug looking at their presents with them or watch their Xmas movies with them. But in her manner towards them she is lovely to them.
It quite confuses my emotions because whilst it is nice that she's so lovely to them, at the same time it demonstrates to me that a. She isn't lovely to me, ever, but quite clearly knows how to be nice, and b. she was never lovely to me like that when I was a child and this upsets me.
Anyway my point being I can assure you she isn't like the way ive described towards my DC. It's all done out of their earshot or out of their line of vision. This is why they've never noticed before, but now they're beginning to be more aware of what's going on around them and so I think they, well my older one at least, might start to notice this year.
Just want to make it clear I'd never allow her to subject her behaviour on to them directly.
It's just me she vents at.
DH doesn't really know what to make of it all really. Think he finds it all a bit too complex.

If she can be nice to your children, she could be nice to you but chooses not to be.

You deserve at least one Christmas without feeling anxious and upset all the time. Her behaviour towards you is unacceptable and your children are beginning to pick up on this, even though she isn't horrible to them.

Just imagine a Christmas with your husband and children without your mother. No stress, no arguments, no recriminations afterwards when she tells you that she knows that you hate her, after you have made such an effort to please her.

If she didn't have mental health problems, she would still be a horrible person because that is who she is.

Give yourself permission to put yourself, your DH and your children first and spend Christmas without her.

sleeppleasesoon · 13/11/2025 20:32

I’ve just seen your update about your mum choosing to be nice to your DC but never you.

My heart breaks for you. I think this should be the piece of information to set you free. She has enough insight to make a choice about her behaviour and she chooses to treat you badly.

Give her some time limited contact over Christmas to appease your guilt enough to have an enjoyable time. Then relax and have the Christmas you want.

Your mum sounds like she’s the victim of trauma but also a perpetrator of yours. I think you need to give yourself permission to accept she’s not the mother you deserve or want. And as her child it’s not your responsibility to parent her anymore.

Hadalifeonce · 13/11/2025 22:16

Although you understand her life struggles, you also have to understand that she has done nothing to help herself overcome her struggles now.
So, please do not feel guilty about leaving her on her own this Christmas. I am sure you and your family will have a much better and more relaxed time without her.

Umy15r03lcha1 · 13/11/2025 22:20

JUST. SAY. NO.

Time for you to live your life. Don't let her spoil everyones day.

Rhaidimiddim · 13/11/2025 22:32

SimplyPie · 13/11/2025 15:50

They don't though.
It's all out of their earshot/eyeshot/different rooms.

If her behaviour outside their view affects you, the children will notice.

CrystalPalaceNoLonger · 14/11/2025 00:07

Wethers121 · 13/11/2025 15:26

I read once that you when your own children become the age you were when you suffered childhood trauma, it brings it all back to you.

Is there a way you can balance this? Spend just the day with her instead of her staying for days. Offer to pick her up Xmas morning and drop her off that night? If she isn’t happy with that- tough. I think you can probably get some compromise here on what you want to do balanced with what you feel you have to do.

I know a lot of responses will tell you to just not invite here but I totally understand the guilt as I’m the exact same way and I’m sorry to say I couldn’t exclude her either in this situation.

Have found this true from personal experience.

Would be keen to read more if you can remember the source @Wethers121?

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