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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:07

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:05

No one owes you anything in life. You are lucky you Iive in a country where tax payers can finance you at all.

Lucky. Wow.

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 18:07

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:06

Yes.

In that case why do you think it can’t be that hard to get ??!!

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:08

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:06

So food, clean clothes and a clean home isn’t okay and is beyond basic?

No, that’s the opposite of what I’m saying. Don’t try to twist my words.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:09

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:00

If you want him poor enough that he can’t afford a steak, then you’re surely aware he wouldn’t be able to heat his home, a steak is food, specialist clothing would be the equivalent to several steaks.

I work and can’t afford steak. I have it once a year on my birthday. Because a weekly ‘steak allowance’ is what heats my house.

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:09

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:08

No, that’s the opposite of what I’m saying. Don’t try to twist my words.

I’m not twisting them, none of those things were under your okay list. What would your basic prepared food be? I assume a chicken pie would be okay, even though a steak one isn’t?

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:09

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:07

Lucky. Wow.

Of course lucky! Do you live in a bubble? What do you think happens to people who can't pay for themselves elsewhere in the world? If you live in the UK you have won life's lottery no matter how hard done by you think you are. Which is why everyone wants to come here.

MannersAreAll · 12/11/2025 18:09

If the governments (successive ones) put a tenth of the effort into staffing CMS and encouraging them to use their powers to actually be a reliable department at collecting unpaid child maintenance as they do at stoking hatred toward disabled people and carers then we could have a set up where maintenance was counted as income for benefits. This would help toward the benefit bill.

However since actually chasing maintenance would mainly benefit women and would mainly negatively impact men it won't happen.

It's scandalous that things like this aren't being done before setting people against the likes of disabled people and carers as is currently happening.

Idstillratherbepaddleboarding · 12/11/2025 18:10

Goalpace · 12/11/2025 14:37

You are welcome to correct my maths here, but £1,832 per month, is the equivalent of about of a salary of £26,500 per year pre tax?

More if you have a student loan to pay back. I’m not on minimum wage but I take home a grand total of £52 per month more that that for a full time, highly responsible, extremely stressful, public sector job!

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:10

Bootsies · 12/11/2025 18:00

If there were such facilities, my life would be soooo much easier. I would not care 24/7, I could work and have a really good income. I could have holidays, go out for meals, have a social life. I would have free time, I would have a LIFE, you know. and if the care is good, it would benefit DC as well.

carers get 83 per week. residential care would be in the region of 4-5k per week for someone like DC. Carers save the state a bombe. There is a reason why there isn't enough residential care as it is much cheaper to throw disabled people and carers under the bus.

I have to say I am really upset that some people believe that disabled people like DC and carers like myself should be satisfied with the absolute basics and not enjoy any quality of life despite working around the clock. I currently work part time and care for 2 DC with very complex needs. I either work or care. I get zero break. you will be relieved to hear that we are pretty poor and do not enjoy much quality of life. no holidays, no meals out, cutting back ok food and many other basics. Life is pretty shit for us. hurray, eh?

Well that’s the point, I’d rather pay for availability of such facilities than cash benefits which can be abused by many (not you).

I don’t think forcing you not to work and on carers allowance is better. But it’s not the reason to continue with the system as it is

current system and tax burden are unsustainable

in a different system people with genuine complex needs would have gotten MORE support and people who claim PIP because of ADHD and anxiety (and their parents claiming carers allowance too) would not waste money

socks1107 · 12/11/2025 18:10

I didn’t realise the figures were that high. I stand my original comments on another thread.
it should not be lifted. And tax payers certainly shouldn’t be paying more from our wages to fund it if they do.
after I lose in tax increases and the likely train fair rise I’ll be over £100 worse off a month than I am right now yet someone who doesn’t work is going to get a free rise.
make it make sense

Allseeingallknowing · 12/11/2025 18:11

Chafing · 12/11/2025 18:02

My 21 year old had to claim UC for a while this Summer. He lives in his uni city. The maximum housing benefit for a single 21 year old was 80 per week. His rent - one room in a modest shared flat - is 120 a week. He got 73 a week of UC, the first 40 of which went straight on rent. Then he had to pay other bills, food, clothing and travel to interviews on 33 a week. He was absolutely penniless. We had to help him out repeatedly.

He was trying to live on about 120 a month. Hardly the lap of luxury.

Does he have a part time job?

Chafing · 12/11/2025 18:11

Allseeingallknowing · 12/11/2025 18:11

Does he have a part time job?

No, he now works full time.

feellikeanalien · 12/11/2025 18:12

RaininSummer · 12/11/2025 17:53

But that number does not include their housing if they rent so they actually do get more than 800 unless they have no rent.

Private rental amounts are capped at the level of the Local Housing Allowance which usually bears no resemblance to actual rents. The balance which is not covered has to be paid out of the UC received.

In my area the cap is £425 for a 2 bedroom house. There is no way that you will find that anywhere, not even in the roughest areas.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:12

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:09

I work and can’t afford steak. I have it once a year on my birthday. Because a weekly ‘steak allowance’ is what heats my house.

That is on you though. The disabled are told to go out and get a job if they want steak.
You go out and get a better job.

Rescuedogblues · 12/11/2025 18:12

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:02

Government funded steak 😂I have seen it all now.
If someone on UC can budget and afford a steak, then fair play to them. They might have cut back on something else to do so.

Or are you suggesting that people on benefits get food parcels delivered? Fuck it, just have them on Huel. Can't have them enjoying their food can we.

Government funded steak 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just give all us disabled people gruel and let us line up like Oliver Twist "please sir may I have some more" that'll teach us to be disabled! 🤣🤣

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 12/11/2025 18:13

Most of my team take home same after working a 37 hour week. Why should any of them pay for people to have more kids?

SoSoLong · 12/11/2025 18:13

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:46

I also think we need to force men to pay more for their kids and reduce benefits accordingly. My best friend has an 8 year old with her ex, he left when their daughter was 3, he lives a few miles away and earns 70k (it’s also a poorer area so his mortgage etc will be minimal). He now lives with his new girlfriend and their baby and doesn’t pay a penny to my friend as he takes their child half the time. Meanwhile my friend works 15 hours and the rest is UC. Why the fuck should the state be paying to house and feed his child when he’s a high earner?!

How is the father at fault here? He takes care of his child for half of the time, he's not taking anything from the state. Your friend barely works despite the child being school age and with her father half of the time.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:13

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:09

Of course lucky! Do you live in a bubble? What do you think happens to people who can't pay for themselves elsewhere in the world? If you live in the UK you have won life's lottery no matter how hard done by you think you are. Which is why everyone wants to come here.

So people who are born with no disabilities must be fucking walking miracles compared to the lucky ones of us being told we should be grateful for being the scum of the uk for trying to make our lives easier

Allseeingallknowing · 12/11/2025 18:13

Chafing · 12/11/2025 18:11

No, he now works full time.

Could he have worked when you were helping him out?

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:13

feellikeanalien · 12/11/2025 18:12

Private rental amounts are capped at the level of the Local Housing Allowance which usually bears no resemblance to actual rents. The balance which is not covered has to be paid out of the UC received.

In my area the cap is £425 for a 2 bedroom house. There is no way that you will find that anywhere, not even in the roughest areas.

Its a shame Labour have declared war on landlords. It's not worth peoples time to rent out houses to people who need them. Hence rents will go up.

RaininSummer · 12/11/2025 18:14

feellikeanalien · 12/11/2025 18:12

Private rental amounts are capped at the level of the Local Housing Allowance which usually bears no resemblance to actual rents. The balance which is not covered has to be paid out of the UC received.

In my area the cap is £425 for a 2 bedroom house. There is no way that you will find that anywhere, not even in the roughest areas.

Yes I know this but if disabled they would have personal allowance plus LCWRA amount so around 800 plus the local housing allowance which I agree is too low .

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:14

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:13

So people who are born with no disabilities must be fucking walking miracles compared to the lucky ones of us being told we should be grateful for being the scum of the uk for trying to make our lives easier

I dont think anyone has said that. That's just you who has referred to people as "scum of the Uk ".

But remember. Its other people who are financing your better life. To their own detriment as taxes will need to go up.

chrisssssy · 12/11/2025 18:15

I know a woman who has 6 kids and has never worked a day in her life and now with the cap lifting she says she dosent have to work until her kids are older now.

The cap should not be lifted.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:15

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:13

So people who are born with no disabilities must be fucking walking miracles compared to the lucky ones of us being told we should be grateful for being the scum of the uk for trying to make our lives easier

I’m disabled and I am 100% lucky that my lifesaving medications, fiercely expensive elsewhere, are paid for by the NHS. Very lucky indeed. I’m very grateful. Nothing in life is free, and none of us are entitled to a lifestyle, only a life.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:16

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:14

I dont think anyone has said that. That's just you who has referred to people as "scum of the Uk ".

But remember. Its other people who are financing your better life. To their own detriment as taxes will need to go up.

Edited

I have been on enough of these threads on here to know how looked down on and bashed the disabled are by daring to claim PIP. God help them if they manage a holiday to wales or God forbid, it seems, eat a steak.

My better life is helped my me and my partner both working full time. My PIP allows me to level the playing field.

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