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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 14:49

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 12/11/2025 14:34

Yeah I'm not on benefits and I don't earn that much straight off, and that doesn't even take into account reduced/free council tax, prescriptions, dental care, childcare/HAFS, holiday food vouchers per child, breakfast and afterschool clubs, reduced transport cost, winter hardship fund, and all the other discounts...it's crazy

You do know that most of those things don't exist right? Maybe its area dependent.

reduced/free council tax, my reduction was a huge £7 pcm.
prescriptions, I actually get these free anyway, but a lot of people won't ever need them.

dental care, Good luck getting an NHS app!
childcare/HAFS, Never had free childcare. Only early years/preschool funding and then actual school. The holiday clubs on offer were crap.
holiday food vouchers per child, these were stopped ages ago.
breakfast and afterschool clubs, still have to pay for this
reduced transport cost, Never heard of this
winter hardship fund hahaha. Impossible to get.

@Pinkbowls I agree with you. The covid uplift was the same. Costs increased for unemployed families too. Yet no extra money. I think the benefit cap is one of the worst policies ever. There probably should be some kind of limit, but the current one isn't enough to live on in many places.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 14:51

Ilovecakey · 12/11/2025 14:46

You say that like people are choosing to have a child with SEN

Or like every family with SEN needs actually gets PIP/DLA. Many don't, yet the child needs someone able to pick them up at the drop of a hat. Meaning 1 parent will really struggle to work.

Overthemhills · 12/11/2025 14:51

I’ve not seen the news for a couple of days - have Labour said they are going to do this?
My DD is disabled but my husband and I don’t receive UC/benefits just in case I sound insane (she gets DLA but that’s it) - I don’t really know the UC figures therefore but anytime I’ve looked at a calculator online it seems to be that if we were on UC we’d have more money, partly by virtue of her being disabled (us going on UC not happening btw).

I never “benefits bash” but if this is correct (the sums involved plus lifting the 2 child cap) it seems irresponsible of any government to support people who are able to work to this extent but who do not and I don’t think it sends the right message.

My husband is self-employed so I’m not sure what his monthly take-home rate is after tax but it seems as if UC is in fact better than a lot of working people’s wages (I’m not referring to Labour’s alleged use of people under 45k or whatever). This to me seems insane.
was it like that before UC?

ukathleticscoach · 12/11/2025 14:52

Try wearing a cap

Katemax82 · 12/11/2025 14:57

caringcarer · 12/11/2025 14:20

You could have 10 DC and either you or just one of those dc has to have a disability and the entire cap is lifted

Not true at all. I have 3 DC, one who I get DLA for I can still only claim UC for 2 of them (I actually have 4 but ones 19).
Before my youngest was born and I was claiming for my older 3 I used to get...
Money for 2 of my 3 children
An extra disabled child element for my oldest and my youngest at the time (I didn't get the child element for my youngest at the time, just the disabled child element.
Now I claim for my 2 middle children, I get nothing for my youngest because of the cap, even though my middle son is still in receipt of DLA.

Upstartled · 12/11/2025 14:58

Given the rates of sen, it wouldn't be unusual to have a child with Sen in a large family. If the current rate is 16%, then surely a family with three children has about 50% chance of a child with Sen. So this cap that the op is talking about, that the op is using to assure people that it won't amount to much in most families, is likely only to limit the amount in half of the smallest of 'large' families.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 14:59

Overthemhills · 12/11/2025 14:51

I’ve not seen the news for a couple of days - have Labour said they are going to do this?
My DD is disabled but my husband and I don’t receive UC/benefits just in case I sound insane (she gets DLA but that’s it) - I don’t really know the UC figures therefore but anytime I’ve looked at a calculator online it seems to be that if we were on UC we’d have more money, partly by virtue of her being disabled (us going on UC not happening btw).

I never “benefits bash” but if this is correct (the sums involved plus lifting the 2 child cap) it seems irresponsible of any government to support people who are able to work to this extent but who do not and I don’t think it sends the right message.

My husband is self-employed so I’m not sure what his monthly take-home rate is after tax but it seems as if UC is in fact better than a lot of working people’s wages (I’m not referring to Labour’s alleged use of people under 45k or whatever). This to me seems insane.
was it like that before UC?

I don't understand this morally superior attitude of benefit bashing when you are likely entitled to it as well. Does it make you a better person if you don't claim? It is a pittance compared to tax evasion.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 15:00

Katemax82 · 12/11/2025 14:57

Not true at all. I have 3 DC, one who I get DLA for I can still only claim UC for 2 of them (I actually have 4 but ones 19).
Before my youngest was born and I was claiming for my older 3 I used to get...
Money for 2 of my 3 children
An extra disabled child element for my oldest and my youngest at the time (I didn't get the child element for my youngest at the time, just the disabled child element.
Now I claim for my 2 middle children, I get nothing for my youngest because of the cap, even though my middle son is still in receipt of DLA.

The benefit cap and 2 child limit are different things. Someone in the household claiming a disability related benefit lifts the cap, but not the 2 child limit.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 15:01

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 14:59

I don't understand this morally superior attitude of benefit bashing when you are likely entitled to it as well. Does it make you a better person if you don't claim? It is a pittance compared to tax evasion.

Is it? Can you provide some figures to back up that assertion?

SomeLikeitSnot · 12/11/2025 15:17

MossAndLeaves · 12/11/2025 13:54

Could you comfortably live off that?..

Of course not- thats why I work.

Allseeingallknowing · 12/11/2025 15:19

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 14:30

It shouldn't be 'comfortable'. If you are supported by the state - no matter the reason, whether pension credit, no work available in your area, unable to work due to illness, caring duties etc then it should be a basic existence.

Basic food, basic shelter, basic provision of utilities.

If you want more than this (essentially a universal basic income) then working should allow you to have a better standard of living.

Not working should never leave you having a better lifestyle than people working full time.

There has to be an incentive to work the difficult stressful low paid jobs in our society - and more and more jobs are being rolled into 'low pay' by the day.

That’s the theory, but some are better off than those working, hence the resentment.

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2025 15:20

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 14:59

I don't understand this morally superior attitude of benefit bashing when you are likely entitled to it as well. Does it make you a better person if you don't claim? It is a pittance compared to tax evasion.

Actually, I think it does make you a better person if you don't need the money because you're comfortably off so you don't claim. That word 'entitled' makes me so cross. So what if you're entitled? Can you easily manage without it? Yes? Then you don't need it. Good on those who think like this. There are far too few of them out there. There was a thread on here earlier in the year about what people were spending their child's DLA on. One memorable answer was a David Lloyd gym membership for the whole family. And people wonder why tax payers want benefits to be reformed.

kirinm · 12/11/2025 15:23

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/11/2025 14:16

2 grand per month tax free for doing fuck all?! No wonder my taxes are going up. Can't have those guys needing to work for a living can we.

And where does most of that money go? It isn’t in the pocket of the person claiming it.

Overthemhills · 12/11/2025 15:35

@NotEnoughKnittingTime
Oh I’m DEFINITELY not a morally or any kind of superior being - I asked a question because I have experience of being on the reverend of benefits bashing on here but I genuinely do not know about UC.
and in fact out of curiosity I just did a hypothetical benefits calculation and there is no way anyone could be better off with two people (parents I mean) not working at all and one severely disabled child than I am or most other people for that matter.
Add another child on and it just makes the picture WORSE for the family, not better.
Again unless I’m mad - the UC without rent for that hypothetical family of 3 is £1400 a month.
That’s with “severe” disability.
Lower than that is £1000 .
Thats really not the story that the media will be telling I imagine.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 15:40

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2025 15:20

Actually, I think it does make you a better person if you don't need the money because you're comfortably off so you don't claim. That word 'entitled' makes me so cross. So what if you're entitled? Can you easily manage without it? Yes? Then you don't need it. Good on those who think like this. There are far too few of them out there. There was a thread on here earlier in the year about what people were spending their child's DLA on. One memorable answer was a David Lloyd gym membership for the whole family. And people wonder why tax payers want benefits to be reformed.

Well I have seen posters complaining they are struggling financially and then it transpires that they are entitled but don't want to put of misplaced pride.

elviswhorley · 12/11/2025 15:46

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 13:58

Why should somebody not working be ‘comfortable’? If they were there would be no incentive to work, surely?

Pride
Setting a good example
Pension
Social engagement
?

Amy454 · 12/11/2025 15:53

As someone who has never received a penny from the government these numbers blow my mind.

The amount of tax I have to pay to fund all this, child benefit, funded nursery hours etc all of which I’m excluded from receiving does make me wonder at times if I’m being taken for a fool.

Don’t be surprised if a lot of higher earners start scaling back as the retained reward just isn’t worth it anymore.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 12/11/2025 15:53

kirinm · 12/11/2025 15:23

And where does most of that money go? It isn’t in the pocket of the person claiming it.

Well it goes on the cost of living doesn’t it? Like people’s wages have to? Or do you think claimants should get the money, plus all living costs met?

SouthLondonMum22 · 12/11/2025 15:54

Overthemhills · 12/11/2025 15:35

@NotEnoughKnittingTime
Oh I’m DEFINITELY not a morally or any kind of superior being - I asked a question because I have experience of being on the reverend of benefits bashing on here but I genuinely do not know about UC.
and in fact out of curiosity I just did a hypothetical benefits calculation and there is no way anyone could be better off with two people (parents I mean) not working at all and one severely disabled child than I am or most other people for that matter.
Add another child on and it just makes the picture WORSE for the family, not better.
Again unless I’m mad - the UC without rent for that hypothetical family of 3 is £1400 a month.
That’s with “severe” disability.
Lower than that is £1000 .
Thats really not the story that the media will be telling I imagine.

Keep in mind as well that the UC amount also takes away carers allowance pound for pound.

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 15:55

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 14:00

But the cap doesn’t apply where disability is involved and with 700,000 children with EHCPs and 1.7 million with ‘SEN’ how many families do you think are getting far more? I know MANY families with not just 1 but 2+ kids receiving DLA on top of uncapped benefits. In fact I’m genuinely surprised to ever hear about a family that claims but doesn’t have SEN involved.

In those cases the families deserve every penny and it’s right and fair for them to be exempt from the benefit cap.

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 15:57

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2025 15:20

Actually, I think it does make you a better person if you don't need the money because you're comfortably off so you don't claim. That word 'entitled' makes me so cross. So what if you're entitled? Can you easily manage without it? Yes? Then you don't need it. Good on those who think like this. There are far too few of them out there. There was a thread on here earlier in the year about what people were spending their child's DLA on. One memorable answer was a David Lloyd gym membership for the whole family. And people wonder why tax payers want benefits to be reformed.

Why is that a bad thing ? Their child may need physio / hydro and the wait a long time so they can then go swimming 1-1 with a parent as much as needed. Caring for older children is hard, lifting etc the parents may need to keep up to a standard of fitness to deal with that physical aspect as let’s face it they won’t be getting much respite.

Winteriscoming80 · 12/11/2025 15:58

No it shouldn’t be lifted at all,there is a family near me who has 12 children and she’s pregnant again!

TigerRag · 12/11/2025 16:00

Council tax support isn't included in the cap. Many of us have to pay 20% even though we're on benefits

angelos02 · 12/11/2025 16:01

A household should never have more money coming in from taxpayer's work than a full time single person on minimum wage. Regardless of number of children (unless there is severe disability obviously). Otherwise, what is the point in working?

newusernamex1000 · 12/11/2025 16:02

We need to keep the cap.

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