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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 23:59

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 23:57

DLA and PIP are rightly not means tested. Without DLA my husband wouldn’t have been able to work, have a clean home, feed himself. He was paying around £1,200 a month in total purely due to being disabled. He was able to save about £50 a week. So under your idea to save money you’d rather the was unemployed and on a far higher level of benefits.

According to some on here (probably that same poster, I don't tend to remember names), anyone claiming benefits should have to sell all of their belongings first.

OonaStubbs · 13/11/2025 00:02

Why do people have the idea that benefits are "saving money" compared to having to claim other benefits? What about the alternative of no benefits and people just work for the money to buy the things they need or want? Like most people do?

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 00:03

Outside9 · 12/11/2025 23:24

Respectfully, your feelings are irrelevant to the stats and facts. Many benefits claimants are actually employed.

I do aagree it's best to get people into work

Yeah part time. So they don’t lose benefits
and if they are full time they don’t need benefits

Starconundrum · 13/11/2025 00:04

Lilylolamillie · 12/11/2025 23:47

Completely agree.

I know colleagues who are single parents with children at secondary school who reduce their hours as their salary is topped up with UC to what they earned working full time. It’s madness. How can you choose to give up full time employment and work part time knowing the state will supplement your income?

With PIP I do think it needs a review as it’s not sustainable to pay so much to so many people. I have a friend who claims due to MS (with a lot of physical issues) and gets the higher rate - she works 3 days a week but is physically unable to work more and so of course she should be supported. Others I know of are blatantly milking the PIP system and it needs to dealt with and people to stop pretending it’s not an issue.

Unless welfare spending is brought under control, taxes for the middle/higher earners will continue to increase, the economy will suffer as they’re not spending and then who will pay for the ever increasing benefits.

Unless the tax breaks given to people who earn much more than you are brought under control this country will go bankrupt.

It is not the people who put into the system that are the issue. The vast amount of pip gets put straight back into the UK economy. Off shoring and hoarding of wealth are the issue.
Nobody on the bottom end of the wealth scale is doing that.

Google the people whose wealth has increased most in the last few decades. Why are you not looking at them? Why deride the struggling people and ask that they have less?

UserFront242 · 13/11/2025 00:06

OonaStubbs · 13/11/2025 00:02

Why do people have the idea that benefits are "saving money" compared to having to claim other benefits? What about the alternative of no benefits and people just work for the money to buy the things they need or want? Like most people do?

What do you mean?
Someone on PIP can be in work. If you take their PIP away, then they may no longer be able to work and end up on sickness benefits which pay more than PIP.
Taking their PIP away wont make them less disabled though.

Simonjt · 13/11/2025 00:08

OonaStubbs · 13/11/2025 00:02

Why do people have the idea that benefits are "saving money" compared to having to claim other benefits? What about the alternative of no benefits and people just work for the money to buy the things they need or want? Like most people do?

What severe and life limiting physical disability have you got?

Starconundrum · 13/11/2025 00:11

The full rate of pip, plus UC , for a single person doesn't even bring you up to the income of someone on minimum wage.

Most people on pip don't get the full amount.

Collectively, we must stop demonising the disabled. They don't get more, they get much less.

And children must be supported or there will be noone to pay your pensions. It's entire construct is a pyramid scheme. You need more able kids paying taxes to fund your retirement. You're shooting yourself in the head otherwise.

OonaStubbs · 13/11/2025 00:29

Simonjt · 13/11/2025 00:08

What severe and life limiting physical disability have you got?

None whatsoever, why?

Outside9 · 13/11/2025 00:45

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 00:03

Yeah part time. So they don’t lose benefits
and if they are full time they don’t need benefits

A full time single parent on minimum wage with 3/4 kids would need support.

UserFront242 · 13/11/2025 00:50

OonaStubbs · 13/11/2025 00:29

None whatsoever, why?

Yet.

reformidontthinkso · 13/11/2025 01:41

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:05

No one owes you anything in life. You are lucky you Iive in a country where tax payers can finance you at all.

My god this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen on here. Maybe you should be grateful you aren’t disabled, too ill to work (at the moment) or have disabled children. Is this really the level humanity has sunk to. Anyone can become disabled, no one chose it. You may be ahead in life now but no one expects it to happen. Do you have no empathy at all for anyone

K0OLA1D · 13/11/2025 05:34

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 00:03

Yeah part time. So they don’t lose benefits
and if they are full time they don’t need benefits

Showing your complete lack of anyone understanding whatsoever

K0OLA1D · 13/11/2025 05:44

K0OLA1D · 13/11/2025 05:34

Showing your complete lack of anyone understanding whatsoever

*any

caringcarer · 13/11/2025 05:54

Katemax82 · 12/11/2025 14:57

Not true at all. I have 3 DC, one who I get DLA for I can still only claim UC for 2 of them (I actually have 4 but ones 19).
Before my youngest was born and I was claiming for my older 3 I used to get...
Money for 2 of my 3 children
An extra disabled child element for my oldest and my youngest at the time (I didn't get the child element for my youngest at the time, just the disabled child element.
Now I claim for my 2 middle children, I get nothing for my youngest because of the cap, even though my middle son is still in receipt of DLA.

But we are stating what will happen if 2 child cap is lifted. That is what this thread is about. If lifted you'd be able to claim for all DC. 🤷

FrogsWormsandButterflies · 13/11/2025 06:08

SomeLikeitSnot · 12/11/2025 15:17

Of course not- thats why I work.

I hate the misconception that people who receive UC don’t work.

Earlier this year I unexpectedly found myself a single parent, I had ZERO say in the matter. I am now raising 2 young children whilst 36 weeks pregnant. I work but as I have lost a 2nd income in the household I now claim UC.
im glad they will potentially lift the 2 child limit as for someone like me it will be incredibly helpful.

BobblyBobbleHat · 13/11/2025 06:13

MidnightPatrol · 12/11/2025 14:04

An average salary of £35k after tax, auto-enrolment and student loan is £2,228 a month.

Yes, it's more than I get for a role I had to get significant qualifications for.

Nightlight8 · 13/11/2025 06:20

@Frogswormsandbutterflies whilst your post sounds very difficult and I'm a single mum myself so I sympathise with you. I just don't want the rules changing.

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2025 06:25

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 23:40

How many people earning £1million or so are claiming PIP? Without those figures, how can you say it is really a problem?

The people I know that work and claim PIP are only able to work because they claim PIP.

There are no published figures. I wonder why that might be………But it’s the fact that people in the top salary brackets are able to claim which is concerning and needs to be looked at.

MidnightPatrol · 13/11/2025 06:37

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2025 06:25

There are no published figures. I wonder why that might be………But it’s the fact that people in the top salary brackets are able to claim which is concerning and needs to be looked at.

Only 15% of PIP claimants are working at all, so the numbers on high salaries claiming must be minuscule.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 13/11/2025 07:06

caringcarer · 13/11/2025 05:54

But we are stating what will happen if 2 child cap is lifted. That is what this thread is about. If lifted you'd be able to claim for all DC. 🤷

shocked squirrel GIF

Exactly this thread was about the 2 child benefit cap, but it’s evolved into the usual “you all hate disabled people and want them to be penniless and suffer…” nice squirrel!

Ticklyoctopus · 13/11/2025 07:10

FrogsWormsandButterflies · 13/11/2025 06:08

I hate the misconception that people who receive UC don’t work.

Earlier this year I unexpectedly found myself a single parent, I had ZERO say in the matter. I am now raising 2 young children whilst 36 weeks pregnant. I work but as I have lost a 2nd income in the household I now claim UC.
im glad they will potentially lift the 2 child limit as for someone like me it will be incredibly helpful.

I really feel for you. Ideally your ex should be forced to pay, I find it unthinkable that they can just pull the rug from under your feet and then UC makes up the difference. We are overdue a big reform of child maintenance rules.

Winter2020 · 13/11/2025 07:11

SleeplessInWherever · 12/11/2025 20:11

If two people have the same child 50% of the time, surely both of them could be working full time if one of them is?

They’re both (I assume) also paying the same costs towards the child and therefore in the same financial situation in that regard?

Working 15hrs in that context is a choice. Work more hours if you want more money. They’ve both got the same child; the same school run, the same food shopping to do.

It's difficult for a person to have care of a child on their own and earn enough to pay rent or mortgage, bills and live without benefit top ups. Not impossible fir higer earners of course. I expect most families in the situation you describe would both receive universal credit top ups. The state paying to help raise their child when they could cover it themselves with a resident parent and a non resident parent arrangement. People should pay for their own kids wherever possible.

Ticklyoctopus · 13/11/2025 07:12

reformidontthinkso · 13/11/2025 01:41

My god this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen on here. Maybe you should be grateful you aren’t disabled, too ill to work (at the moment) or have disabled children. Is this really the level humanity has sunk to. Anyone can become disabled, no one chose it. You may be ahead in life now but no one expects it to happen. Do you have no empathy at all for anyone

I’m disabled and I agree with them. My lifesaving drugs cost an absolute fortune and I feel very lucky to live somewhere where the taxpayer foots the bill for them. I don’t understand why some people are so allergic to gratitude.

Ticklyoctopus · 13/11/2025 07:15

Winter2020 · 13/11/2025 07:11

It's difficult for a person to have care of a child on their own and earn enough to pay rent or mortgage, bills and live without benefit top ups. Not impossible fir higer earners of course. I expect most families in the situation you describe would both receive universal credit top ups. The state paying to help raise their child when they could cover it themselves with a resident parent and a non resident parent arrangement. People should pay for their own kids wherever possible.

My friend has said she won’t work more hours as it would affect her UC 🤷‍♀️ she’s better off claiming than not, or perhaps there’s minimal difference so she’s decided it’s not worth it. She’s in a very low paid job and rents, so even if she did work full time I think she would be eligible for UC - my point is that I find it unconscionable that her child’s other parent is allowing the state to top her up and put a roof over his child’s head when that money should come from him. He has plenty of it.

Ticklyoctopus · 13/11/2025 07:16

Starconundrum · 13/11/2025 00:04

Unless the tax breaks given to people who earn much more than you are brought under control this country will go bankrupt.

It is not the people who put into the system that are the issue. The vast amount of pip gets put straight back into the UK economy. Off shoring and hoarding of wealth are the issue.
Nobody on the bottom end of the wealth scale is doing that.

Google the people whose wealth has increased most in the last few decades. Why are you not looking at them? Why deride the struggling people and ask that they have less?

Because this would raise far far far less than you think.

If we confiscated the assets and cash of all billionaires in this country if would fund us for 6 months.

It just isn’t true that we can carry on spending as we are and billionaires will prop us up with the right tax rules

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