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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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user1476613140 · 13/11/2025 07:16

reformidontthinkso · 13/11/2025 01:41

My god this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen on here. Maybe you should be grateful you aren’t disabled, too ill to work (at the moment) or have disabled children. Is this really the level humanity has sunk to. Anyone can become disabled, no one chose it. You may be ahead in life now but no one expects it to happen. Do you have no empathy at all for anyone

I got a similar reaction when I said three out of four of my DC are disabled. How dare they be disabled. On another thread a few weeks ago...

Lots of people lack empathy. They come out in their droves on threads like this.

Pinkbowls · 13/11/2025 07:26

The idea of working part time whilst claiming benefits no longer exists.

From when the youngest child is age 3 you must be working 30 hours a week.

Age 5 and it’s full time 35+ hours.

The fake stories on here of colleagues with secondary school children that reduced their hours to part time to get more top ups is sad. Try harder.

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Youdontseehow · 13/11/2025 07:27

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 21:52

Brooklyn Beckham I suggest is unlikely to be a drain on the taxpayers purse.

When he’s in the country, he is benefitting from tax payer funded services though. Driving on the roads, walking on lit streets, being assisted by emergency services if needed etc. same with Andrew and all the others.

Youdontseehow · 13/11/2025 07:28

SleeplessInWherever · 12/11/2025 21:55

“And there are kids from extremely disadvantaged backgrounds who break the mould and go on to make a huge contribution to society.”

I grew up on a council estate with an alcoholic father who “worked cash in hand” and my mum who worked 20hrs a week and struggled to feed us. Quite regularly would feed us and not herself. I asked for rollerblades 3 Christmas’s in a row, didn’t get them because we couldn’t afford them.

I’m masters educated, have been a higher rate tax payer for approaching a decade, and am directly responsible for the employment of over 100 people.

People like me exist, and wouldn’t if we started somehow forbidding people on benefits from having children.

A bit like myself. But we wouldn’t be here if some folk had their way.

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:28

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 23:57

DLA and PIP are rightly not means tested. Without DLA my husband wouldn’t have been able to work, have a clean home, feed himself. He was paying around £1,200 a month in total purely due to being disabled. He was able to save about £50 a week. So under your idea to save money you’d rather the was unemployed and on a far higher level of benefits.

Sadly people are ignorant to this and don’t want to consider how things are for disabled people or even attempt to educate themselves.

I mean, I have no idea the costs involved for example in running a business of your own or how intensive it must be but just because I don’t know doesn’t mean that there aren’t difficulties and huge extra expenses for start ups etc. I appreciate that and even though it’s not relevant to me I m happy to hold my hands up and know it’s not my area of expertise but if I needed to give an opinion on it I’d try to at least learn more and educate myself rather than just saying ‘no it’s easy and you don’t need any start up grants or loans etc it’s not that hard you’re exaggerating’.

When it comes to PIP and working so often PIP is used for travel, household help, private medical appts or therapy so you can facilitate working , fit appts in with work and get treatment in a timely way to be able to keep working. Bills are higher due to additional needs eg heating and hot water. People have absolutely no idea how the costs spiral when you have a disability . But they want to just ignore it or have an opinion based on no real experience whatsoever or some story about someone they know.

Youdontseehow · 13/11/2025 07:29

Hyasinth · 12/11/2025 21:51

I wondered how long it would be before someone started talking about eugenics!
It’s like playing lefty bingo.

Well done.

Happinessis80 · 13/11/2025 07:29

Age of your youngest child Your responsibilities
Under 1
You will not be expected to look for work.
Age 1
You will not be expected to look for work. The only work-related activity you will be expected to do is to have regular appointments to discuss a future move into work.
Age 2
You will not be expected to look for work. The work-related activities you will be expected to do are having regular appointments with Universal Credit and work preparation activities, such as writing your CV.
Age between 3 and 12
You will be expected to work up to 30 hours a week, or spend up to 30 hours a week on work-related activities such as applying for jobs.
Age 13 or over
You will be expected to work up to 35 hours a week, or spend up to 35 hours a week on work-related activities such as applying for jobs.

So unless your a carer or disabled you have to look for work!

Where are all the people having children every two years until they retire?
Bet not many!

Also how are all these people working part time, 30 hours a week is more then part time unless they have children under 3.

And of course I am grateful I live in this country, but I will not get down on my knees and feel blessed to have children with high care needs!

And a lot of people's UC claims are rent and child care.
High rents are ridiculous, even where I am you can not get a 2 bed flat for under £1000 a month.
Child care is very expensive, that all needs a overhaul before anything can be done with benefits!

Whistonia · 13/11/2025 07:31

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 22:22

Well I go right back to the start of this thread. Don't have children if you can't afford to pay for them. Its not rocket science.

Yet people do. Unless we are going to have forced sterilisation / abortion, should the children not be supported. I believe payment should however be part of a wider support package to support patenting and access to work.

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:33

Pinkbowls · 13/11/2025 07:26

The idea of working part time whilst claiming benefits no longer exists.

From when the youngest child is age 3 you must be working 30 hours a week.

Age 5 and it’s full time 35+ hours.

The fake stories on here of colleagues with secondary school children that reduced their hours to part time to get more top ups is sad. Try harder.

You’re right, UC start calling parents in before the child is 3 as well for preparation to work appts. Once the child reaches 3 you are pulled in all the time for appts and you have to work search and find a job. They are not accommodating even if you are waiting on a dla claim. It’s simply not a choice to just have lots of kids and not work if there’s no disability you can’t do it. Also if one partner works and earns over the amount necessary why is that an issue to then have a SAHP ? It’s judged but UC set a limit and allow that if one parent works ? Surely that’s good to have that choice

Gingernessy · 13/11/2025 07:34

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 14:49

You do know that most of those things don't exist right? Maybe its area dependent.

reduced/free council tax, my reduction was a huge £7 pcm.
prescriptions, I actually get these free anyway, but a lot of people won't ever need them.

dental care, Good luck getting an NHS app!
childcare/HAFS, Never had free childcare. Only early years/preschool funding and then actual school. The holiday clubs on offer were crap.
holiday food vouchers per child, these were stopped ages ago.
breakfast and afterschool clubs, still have to pay for this
reduced transport cost, Never heard of this
winter hardship fund hahaha. Impossible to get.

@Pinkbowls I agree with you. The covid uplift was the same. Costs increased for unemployed families too. Yet no extra money. I think the benefit cap is one of the worst policies ever. There probably should be some kind of limit, but the current one isn't enough to live on in many places.

But it shouldn't be enough to live on apart from for the severely disabled.
Everyone else should be striving to be self sufficient.
Raising benefits will just create another black hole needing tax rises to fill it - unless the IMF step in and tell us what we can and can't afford to pay out.
I wonder if thats the government's aim because then they won't be the bad guys and no amount of benefit claimants moaning will force any u turns

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:34

Happinessis80 · 13/11/2025 07:29

Age of your youngest child Your responsibilities
Under 1
You will not be expected to look for work.
Age 1
You will not be expected to look for work. The only work-related activity you will be expected to do is to have regular appointments to discuss a future move into work.
Age 2
You will not be expected to look for work. The work-related activities you will be expected to do are having regular appointments with Universal Credit and work preparation activities, such as writing your CV.
Age between 3 and 12
You will be expected to work up to 30 hours a week, or spend up to 30 hours a week on work-related activities such as applying for jobs.
Age 13 or over
You will be expected to work up to 35 hours a week, or spend up to 35 hours a week on work-related activities such as applying for jobs.

So unless your a carer or disabled you have to look for work!

Where are all the people having children every two years until they retire?
Bet not many!

Also how are all these people working part time, 30 hours a week is more then part time unless they have children under 3.

And of course I am grateful I live in this country, but I will not get down on my knees and feel blessed to have children with high care needs!

And a lot of people's UC claims are rent and child care.
High rents are ridiculous, even where I am you can not get a 2 bed flat for under £1000 a month.
Child care is very expensive, that all needs a overhaul before anything can be done with benefits!

Yes a sahp actually saves the taxpayer a lot as no childcare element which is a lot more than the child element??

user1476613140 · 13/11/2025 07:35

I am classed as a carer to my DC so do not need to look for work whilst I study, as do many others out there. The UC rules on how many hours you need to work each week are irrelevant for lots of carers out there. Carers need to make sure they look after themselves well so they can continue to care for their children. Get yourself an Adult Carer's Support Plan and have it reviewed regularly by a Carer's Centre.

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:39

user1476613140 · 13/11/2025 07:35

I am classed as a carer to my DC so do not need to look for work whilst I study, as do many others out there. The UC rules on how many hours you need to work each week are irrelevant for lots of carers out there. Carers need to make sure they look after themselves well so they can continue to care for their children. Get yourself an Adult Carer's Support Plan and have it reviewed regularly by a Carer's Centre.

Yes this is good advice as carers often suffer with exhaustion and burnout Flowers

user1476613140 · 13/11/2025 07:43

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:39

Yes this is good advice as carers often suffer with exhaustion and burnout Flowers

Mine is coming up for renewal very soon. I get various stuff for free as a carer including free massage if I would like to take up the offer. There's carers lunches too, to feel less isolated etc.

I would urge anyone who is caring to please get your own assessment done. Your health and well-being matters too🤗

Happinessis80 · 13/11/2025 07:54

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:34

Yes a sahp actually saves the taxpayer a lot as no childcare element which is a lot more than the child element??

It can be yes, honestly the myths on this thread is absolutely vile.

Also in most cases its a top up and a lot of Jobs that we need (carers,TAs,clearners, shop workers,restaurant staff are mostly on min pay! So if only the rich can have children wow what a society!

LoopyLeela · 13/11/2025 07:59

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AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:07

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

Excuse typos
Fucking exhausted from having to get up at 6am to get ready for work and DS for nursery

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 08:11

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

I believe the 2 child cap should be lifted. I do however think the savings limit is too high so agree with you there as having between 6-16k is a lot. Perhaps they could look at reducing the savings limits when they lift the cap?

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:14

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 08:11

I believe the 2 child cap should be lifted. I do however think the savings limit is too high so agree with you there as having between 6-16k is a lot. Perhaps they could look at reducing the savings limits when they lift the cap?

The savings limit is completely unfair. Most people who work full time dont have £15k sitting in the bank.

K0OLA1D · 13/11/2025 08:21

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:14

The savings limit is completely unfair. Most people who work full time dont have £15k sitting in the bank.

Most people on benefits dont either.

RubySquid · 13/11/2025 08:34

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:34

Yes a sahp actually saves the taxpayer a lot as no childcare element which is a lot more than the child element??

Only if low earners.

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 08:41

reformidontthinkso · 13/11/2025 01:41

My god this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen on here. Maybe you should be grateful you aren’t disabled, too ill to work (at the moment) or have disabled children. Is this really the level humanity has sunk to. Anyone can become disabled, no one chose it. You may be ahead in life now but no one expects it to happen. Do you have no empathy at all for anyone

Don't be so ridiculous. What is not true about the statements that no one owes you anything in life? And we are lucky to live in a country that does give a damn.

Two statements of the blinking obvious to any reasonable person.

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 08:46

Youdontseehow · 13/11/2025 07:27

When he’s in the country, he is benefitting from tax payer funded services though. Driving on the roads, walking on lit streets, being assisted by emergency services if needed etc. same with Andrew and all the others.

If we are going to have to continue the Brooklyn Beckham debate he will be paying a lot more tax than he gets in any service. He will be a net contributor even if he doesn't work a day in his life. I think that was why someone brought him up in the first place?

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 08:48

Issueswiththetap · 13/11/2025 07:28

Sadly people are ignorant to this and don’t want to consider how things are for disabled people or even attempt to educate themselves.

I mean, I have no idea the costs involved for example in running a business of your own or how intensive it must be but just because I don’t know doesn’t mean that there aren’t difficulties and huge extra expenses for start ups etc. I appreciate that and even though it’s not relevant to me I m happy to hold my hands up and know it’s not my area of expertise but if I needed to give an opinion on it I’d try to at least learn more and educate myself rather than just saying ‘no it’s easy and you don’t need any start up grants or loans etc it’s not that hard you’re exaggerating’.

When it comes to PIP and working so often PIP is used for travel, household help, private medical appts or therapy so you can facilitate working , fit appts in with work and get treatment in a timely way to be able to keep working. Bills are higher due to additional needs eg heating and hot water. People have absolutely no idea how the costs spiral when you have a disability . But they want to just ignore it or have an opinion based on no real experience whatsoever or some story about someone they know.

Edited

I'm fairly sure this thread us about lifting the two child benefit cap. Not whether people who actually are disabled rather than have ADHD should receive support.

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