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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:41

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:38

I never said I made £15k selling stuff.
And many people on UC had jobs before they had to claim. Accumulated things they could sell. If you can't afford to run a car then sell it. A few grand in your pocket from that. It is not hard to work out.

Tbf it is really annoying reading your posts. If people have stuff to sell, sell it before living off the work of other people.

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:42

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 18:34

Have you ever been on benefits? They do not provide a life of luxury, no matter what you may think.

I have a friend on benefits she gets botox ,goes regularly on holidays, thats all i need to know,meanwhile i look like shit from all the stress of work,my last holiday was 2017

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 19:43

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/11/2025 19:40

My friend in Kent gets most of these @PractisingMyTelekenipsis

Her ct is around £46 a month. I pay 157 - same size property

doesn’t get free prescriptions

does get free dentist for her and kids

does get the haf holiday vouchers

does get £10 a week per child food voucher on school holidays

does get free before /after school care

doesn’t get reduced transport

does get winter hardship - think was £100 g/e and £50 cash via post office

plus the £150 warm home

she works 30hrs a week - single parent - I don’t begrudge her getting these even tho I’m a single parent who works on uc

only thing I got was the £150 warm home to octopus and yes grateful for that

I might move to Kent then! I'm paying £150pcm council tax after my council tax support!

I've never got the warm home discount, but no idea why. I should be entitled, am told every year it's an automatic payment so I don't have to apply, and yet I never get it.

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:43

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:40

@AlexisP90 100 agree! It should be at best min wage at about 25 hours a week! Utterly cheesed off with life! My son wanted to go on a football trip abroad with school next year, dickhead here can’t afford said trip for the child that I love and work hard to provide for- yet low and behold 3 of the kids from parents that don’t work are magically able to whip up the 2000k price tag. I have no words.

Does the school not offer a payment plan, so you can pay a certain amount monthly? It might be worth enquiring, or the school may have a fund for parents struggling to pay. You don't know, if you don't ask.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:43

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:41

Tbf it is really annoying reading your posts. If people have stuff to sell, sell it before living off the work of other people.

Then don't read them then. Get filling in those UC forms if you think it is that easy.

How empty is someone's house meant to get before they can claim? Sell the sofa? Carpets?

Sherlockgirl · 12/11/2025 19:44

This post makes me so angry - only £1.8k/ £2k pm….. Add in all the extras like free prescriptions and it is not sustainable. My kids have degrees ( so big loans to pay) - 1 is still on minimum wage for a full time job, extra studies, having to pay rent as had to move away for a job so we are still helping him with rent. Other is disabled but working Full Time, trying to save for a house. Both feel financial worries. But hey let’s make people on benefits feel more comfortable whilst taxing us all more.

Wingingit247 · 12/11/2025 19:44

I’ve worked full time since I was 16, running my own business for the last 25 years, paying personal and corporation tax. I have 3 children. Owing to the onset of 3 serious health conditions I’m now unable to work, had to close my business and am existing on benefits. No, it’s not enough to live on without difficulties, it’s no picnic I can assure you. We’re not all scroungers living the high life, it’s bloody shit.

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:44

@ihaterain2024 respectfully, I very much disagree! Infact I couldn’t disagree more! Maybe not everyone ie pensioners but I definitely think some people can and do alright !

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:45

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:40

@AlexisP90 100 agree! It should be at best min wage at about 25 hours a week! Utterly cheesed off with life! My son wanted to go on a football trip abroad with school next year, dickhead here can’t afford said trip for the child that I love and work hard to provide for- yet low and behold 3 of the kids from parents that don’t work are magically able to whip up the 2000k price tag. I have no words.

So fucking wrong honestly I despair.

Youre doing a great job and setting a good example by getting off your ass and actually making a living. Always remember that.Its utterly unfair it really is and im so sorry.

itsgettingweird · 12/11/2025 19:45

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

Yes, disabled children are the parents responsibility.

but how do you do the maths when they have a severely disabled child that needs 24/7 and therefore the family cannot go out to work and earn money.

it is cheaper for the family to receive payments from the government to provide the care themselves than the oarents outing their child into full time care and working and paying tax.

Katemax82 · 12/11/2025 19:47

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 15:00

The benefit cap and 2 child limit are different things. Someone in the household claiming a disability related benefit lifts the cap, but not the 2 child limit.

Ok that sounds correct sorry

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:48

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:42

I have a friend on benefits she gets botox ,goes regularly on holidays, thats all i need to know,meanwhile i look like shit from all the stress of work,my last holiday was 2017

I know it sounds trite, but why are you not following her lead then? Is her life so much better than yours, do you believe? I used to live in a very poor area, with high levels of people on benefits. What I read on here, and the people I saw with my own eyes, just scrapping through, make me think that I must have been living in a parallel universe!

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 19:48

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:28

If you're on benefits you are getting money from the work of others in order to stash it in your bank for a rainy day. Many working people have no savings and nothing to sell. What makes a person on benefits more special than a working person that they can save up to £15,999?

Sell your stuff before you claim benefits like a normal reasonable person would, would be my suggestion.

May be a surprise but many claiming UC work too.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 12/11/2025 19:49

Nobody claiming benefits should receive more money per month than someone working on minimum wage.

Mostunexpected · 12/11/2025 19:49

Don't you only have to be earning £846 after tax and NI to not be affected by any cap?

So those people working only 16 hours at minimum wage aren't subjected to any cap already? And will then be able to get even more for a 3rd kid?

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:49

All the people on this thread who say that benefits are so bad and are on benefits why are you not working full time them?
I bet all of you will come out with spme bullshit excuse, because in fact you are better off being on benefits. Waiting for being shot now!

Chafing · 12/11/2025 19:51

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:34

No one on UC is saving thousands.
But they may have had that money before they claimed UC.

My DC did.
They started with about 300 pounds. I applied for UC and pip on their behalf, as they are not capable.

They were eventually awarded LCWRA and high rate pip.

Due to the nature of their disability, and the fact they live at home, they didn't spend anything. They are unable to shop online, see no need to have "stuff". We charged a very modest rent (200 a month) to cover electricity and food, and I set up a direct debit.

Within 18 months we had to stop the claim as they had 16k. They still get PIP. When pip is reviewed it will be dependent on me to apply again on their behalf as they are unable to.

It is a symptom of the severity of their disability that they did not spend anything. Maybe 20 a month on sweets and drinks from the corner shop. We as a family end up paying for things like DC to come on holiday as we cannot access DC's money due to them being unable to use online banking and our local branch having closed down.

I mean DC is laughing all the way to the bank, obviously, we are sitting pretty. I certainly don't lie awake at night worrying whether DC will starve to death in squalor, possibly with thousands in the bank that they aren't able to spend but which preclude them from more active support, after I die. Because if they were penniless the government would supply carers but as they have money they will be expected to pay for carers, and they aren't capable of managing that. It's a laugh a minute having kids who are too disabled to work but don't meet criteria for learning disability services. You guys should all do it, it's a riot. A license to print money.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:51

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:49

All the people on this thread who say that benefits are so bad and are on benefits why are you not working full time them?
I bet all of you will come out with spme bullshit excuse, because in fact you are better off being on benefits. Waiting for being shot now!

You are only asking as you are after ammunition yourself. No one owes you an explanation.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 19:52

SpaceRaccoon · 12/11/2025 19:33

The breadwinner should have adequate life insurance. All part of personal responsibility.

I cant. Due to my disability. Would cost £££

PocketSand · 12/11/2025 19:53

The cost of living and housing has increased massively whilst wages have not increased in line with increasing costs. To the extent that the government is now using tax payers money to pay benefits to people in work so that they can afford, on low wages, to pay increased costs of housing, bills etc. Benefits were never meant to be used to pay employers, privatised utility companies and landlords to support low wages and high living and housing costs. How do you feel about this? Is it fair?

At the same time as wages have decreased and the cost of living and housing has increased and even those working and receiving top up benefits are struggling financially it has not been possible to cut the ‘safety net’ benefits without increasing relative poverty levels because the margins are so low.

Benefits for those out of work, unable to work or retired are not too high. Wages are insufficient to pay basic housing and living costs. You want to incentivise people to work then pay decent wages. Not minimum wage for a graduate job or a job requiring experience.

Guess what? All disability benefits and non contribution based out of work benefits could be abolished tomorrow (at great personal cost and consequential cost to the state) and the welfare bill would continue to rise as a consequence of in work benefits and demographic change of supporting a growing ageing population in the context of a declining birth rate.

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:54

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:51

You are only asking as you are after ammunition yourself. No one owes you an explanation.

This, I agree. No one needs to explain to some random person on the net.

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:54

@LadyKenyai havet asked, they probably do but unfortunately my unbelievable mortgage deal ends soon so I’ll be paying about £350 a month more so I just can’t afford for him to go. It breaks my heart.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 19:55

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:49

All the people on this thread who say that benefits are so bad and are on benefits why are you not working full time them?
I bet all of you will come out with spme bullshit excuse, because in fact you are better off being on benefits. Waiting for being shot now!

I do work full time. HTH

Winter2020 · 12/11/2025 19:56

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:46

I also think we need to force men to pay more for their kids and reduce benefits accordingly. My best friend has an 8 year old with her ex, he left when their daughter was 3, he lives a few miles away and earns 70k (it’s also a poorer area so his mortgage etc will be minimal). He now lives with his new girlfriend and their baby and doesn’t pay a penny to my friend as he takes their child half the time. Meanwhile my friend works 15 hours and the rest is UC. Why the fuck should the state be paying to house and feed his child when he’s a high earner?!

I totally agree. I think if a single parent wants to claim universal credit the non resident parent should be assessed for maintenance and this should be paid into a state account to repay the public purse some of what it is shelling out.

No 50:50 to avoid maintenance. If the parents can't decide who is the resident parent a court should. Parents should pay to support their kids to the best of their ability before the state steps in.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 19:56

Mostunexpected · 12/11/2025 19:49

Don't you only have to be earning £846 after tax and NI to not be affected by any cap?

So those people working only 16 hours at minimum wage aren't subjected to any cap already? And will then be able to get even more for a 3rd kid?

You have to earn over the AET which changes depending if it is a joint account or not.

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