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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:58

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:54

@LadyKenyai havet asked, they probably do but unfortunately my unbelievable mortgage deal ends soon so I’ll be paying about £350 a month more so I just can’t afford for him to go. It breaks my heart.

Im so sorry. Its all so fucking unfair. Please always remember youre setting a great example to him and youre doing your absolute best.

This hurts. I can imagine how youre feeling. Try to think that these sacrifices now will hopefully set him up later in life when youre able to leave him the house or at least some money from it hopefully.

Youre a great parent x

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 19:58

kittywittyandpretty · 12/11/2025 19:31

Because the moment those children turn 18 your suppliers turned off
And then what do you do?

Welllll.. glad you asked.

If I was working 16 hrs per week and getting NMW, then I could study, retrain, set up my own business. I could also earn considerably more than £825 per month on NMW and still claim benefits. In fact, nearly £6k net. I wouldn't need to work FT for that. I could CHOOSE to work PT to keep my wage lower to claim benefits or pop some in my pension to keep net pay lower as well. Then when the kids turn 18, the tap may be turned off, but I can then work FT or opt out of pension payments. Move into somewhere smaller.

There are ways it's seems. I don't do this- mainly because I never knew I could. I mean why on earth wouldn't you? At 16 hrs with all that extra support from the govt, plus my kids would be eligible for FSM and would also qualify for extra assistance into programs to help into university etc.

What I don't get, is how on earth do families only working 16 hrs should be on the same amount as the take home salary of a person earning £82k AND sTIll COMPLAIN ThEY ARE hARD DOnE by.

It truly pisses me off.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 20:00

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 19:58

Welllll.. glad you asked.

If I was working 16 hrs per week and getting NMW, then I could study, retrain, set up my own business. I could also earn considerably more than £825 per month on NMW and still claim benefits. In fact, nearly £6k net. I wouldn't need to work FT for that. I could CHOOSE to work PT to keep my wage lower to claim benefits or pop some in my pension to keep net pay lower as well. Then when the kids turn 18, the tap may be turned off, but I can then work FT or opt out of pension payments. Move into somewhere smaller.

There are ways it's seems. I don't do this- mainly because I never knew I could. I mean why on earth wouldn't you? At 16 hrs with all that extra support from the govt, plus my kids would be eligible for FSM and would also qualify for extra assistance into programs to help into university etc.

What I don't get, is how on earth do families only working 16 hrs should be on the same amount as the take home salary of a person earning £82k AND sTIll COMPLAIN ThEY ARE hARD DOnE by.

It truly pisses me off.

If you worked 16 hours a week you would earn too much for FSM.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 20:01

UC doesn't go on how many hours you work but wages.

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 20:01

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:54

@LadyKenyai havet asked, they probably do but unfortunately my unbelievable mortgage deal ends soon so I’ll be paying about £350 a month more so I just can’t afford for him to go. It breaks my heart.

That is sad for your Son. I hear what you have said, but don't be afraid to approach the school, to enquire if they can help anyway. They may have some funds allocated for those types of uses, separate from children on Pupil Premium. You would only be enquiring, and the school is very discreet, if that is a concern for you.

Gingertam · 12/11/2025 20:01

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:34

If you are able to be on benefits and make £15k form selling your stuff how did you pay for that stuff in the first place?!

I dont own things worth that. I work 5 days a week in a fucking stressful job, have a fuck off big mortgage (not even a big house) a huge childcare bill one holiday a year in the UK if that.

Ive tried to stay polite but I am fucking tired of working my ass off and having to make choices about the number of children I have because I am entitled to absolutely 0 support to fucking pay for other people to keep having kids

Fucking done I really am. i know youre trying to wind me up but I sleep well at night knowing its all to at least leave my limited number of children a home or some money, if not a lot when im no longer here

Don't let it get to you. You will eventually pay your mortgage off and will have hopefully have a private pension in old age. The people who have worked as little as possible, unless they inherit will be looking at a poor old age. I've seen this happen. At some point their many children grow up and they don't have an excuse to continue skiving.

Winter2020 · 12/11/2025 20:01

anniegun · 12/11/2025 17:48

Lot of people on here want children to suffer because they chose to have the wrong parents

Lots of people on here don't want families to keep having kids they can't afford that will inevitably suffer.

myglowupera · 12/11/2025 20:02

Irotoyu · 12/11/2025 16:14

What you fail to realise is that the disability benefits for SEN and mental health in particular have absolutely exploded and claiming DLA for your kids with 'adhd' is now a means of income. The families taking the piss are all on the disability benefits ffs it's how they maintain that lifestyle generationally.

Have you got any children with SEN?
If you don’t, you don’t have a clue.
If you do, you should know better.

Wingingit247 · 12/11/2025 20:02

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 19:49

All the people on this thread who say that benefits are so bad and are on benefits why are you not working full time them?
I bet all of you will come out with spme bullshit excuse, because in fact you are better off being on benefits. Waiting for being shot now!

I can’t speak for anyone else but I can’t due to severe illness. I know two people who care for children that are so severely disabled they cannot have an hour to themselves let alone go out to work. Can you really not see that some people are in difficult situations that they didn’t choose and are quite literally unable to work??

battenburgbaby · 12/11/2025 20:06

Wow this is totally depressing.

I work with people who for various reasons are reliant on benefits.

I spoke to a lady the other day who looked really well turned out, meet her on the street you’d think she does her shopping in Waitrose. She said money is so tight she has cut back on hot meals because she can’t afford to turn the oven on. None of her friends or family knew this.

A woman subject to the benefit cap who couldn’t afford to enough food for the whole family so was just eating her kids leftovers. Realised her teen son was leaving food on his plate because he cottoned on that was all his mum was eating.

Some people are really struggling.

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 20:09

battenburgbaby · 12/11/2025 20:06

Wow this is totally depressing.

I work with people who for various reasons are reliant on benefits.

I spoke to a lady the other day who looked really well turned out, meet her on the street you’d think she does her shopping in Waitrose. She said money is so tight she has cut back on hot meals because she can’t afford to turn the oven on. None of her friends or family knew this.

A woman subject to the benefit cap who couldn’t afford to enough food for the whole family so was just eating her kids leftovers. Realised her teen son was leaving food on his plate because he cottoned on that was all his mum was eating.

Some people are really struggling.

Why can't these people work?

SleeplessInWherever · 12/11/2025 20:11

Winter2020 · 12/11/2025 19:56

I totally agree. I think if a single parent wants to claim universal credit the non resident parent should be assessed for maintenance and this should be paid into a state account to repay the public purse some of what it is shelling out.

No 50:50 to avoid maintenance. If the parents can't decide who is the resident parent a court should. Parents should pay to support their kids to the best of their ability before the state steps in.

If two people have the same child 50% of the time, surely both of them could be working full time if one of them is?

They’re both (I assume) also paying the same costs towards the child and therefore in the same financial situation in that regard?

Working 15hrs in that context is a choice. Work more hours if you want more money. They’ve both got the same child; the same school run, the same food shopping to do.

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 20:12

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 20:00

If you worked 16 hours a week you would earn too much for FSM.

Yes yes. You are correct. On UC it's around 12 hours per week at NMW.

I don't understand how families can 'take home' nearly £4k pm from the government and still claim they are 'poor'. Just wtaf. Add into that the £852 monthly salary. How on earth is a household income of nearly £5k needing even more government assistance? Thos people who need a break are the people actually WORKING and in the higher income brackets to encourage them to keep working - because why would someone on £82k bother if they knew they could get just as much by being supported?

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 12/11/2025 20:14

Chafing · 12/11/2025 19:51

My DC did.
They started with about 300 pounds. I applied for UC and pip on their behalf, as they are not capable.

They were eventually awarded LCWRA and high rate pip.

Due to the nature of their disability, and the fact they live at home, they didn't spend anything. They are unable to shop online, see no need to have "stuff". We charged a very modest rent (200 a month) to cover electricity and food, and I set up a direct debit.

Within 18 months we had to stop the claim as they had 16k. They still get PIP. When pip is reviewed it will be dependent on me to apply again on their behalf as they are unable to.

It is a symptom of the severity of their disability that they did not spend anything. Maybe 20 a month on sweets and drinks from the corner shop. We as a family end up paying for things like DC to come on holiday as we cannot access DC's money due to them being unable to use online banking and our local branch having closed down.

I mean DC is laughing all the way to the bank, obviously, we are sitting pretty. I certainly don't lie awake at night worrying whether DC will starve to death in squalor, possibly with thousands in the bank that they aren't able to spend but which preclude them from more active support, after I die. Because if they were penniless the government would supply carers but as they have money they will be expected to pay for carers, and they aren't capable of managing that. It's a laugh a minute having kids who are too disabled to work but don't meet criteria for learning disability services. You guys should all do it, it's a riot. A license to print money.

Why don’t they have a financial guardian to manage their funds and make these purchases? Have you been told about this process?

suburburban · 12/11/2025 20:17

battenburgbaby · 12/11/2025 20:06

Wow this is totally depressing.

I work with people who for various reasons are reliant on benefits.

I spoke to a lady the other day who looked really well turned out, meet her on the street you’d think she does her shopping in Waitrose. She said money is so tight she has cut back on hot meals because she can’t afford to turn the oven on. None of her friends or family knew this.

A woman subject to the benefit cap who couldn’t afford to enough food for the whole family so was just eating her kids leftovers. Realised her teen son was leaving food on his plate because he cottoned on that was all his mum was eating.

Some people are really struggling.

Yes fair enough

but we shouldn’t be encouraging people to continue to have more dc than they can afford.

its not fair on those working and paying for them when the country is broke

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 20:18

battenburgbaby · 12/11/2025 20:06

Wow this is totally depressing.

I work with people who for various reasons are reliant on benefits.

I spoke to a lady the other day who looked really well turned out, meet her on the street you’d think she does her shopping in Waitrose. She said money is so tight she has cut back on hot meals because she can’t afford to turn the oven on. None of her friends or family knew this.

A woman subject to the benefit cap who couldn’t afford to enough food for the whole family so was just eating her kids leftovers. Realised her teen son was leaving food on his plate because he cottoned on that was all his mum was eating.

Some people are really struggling.

People are struggling.

The person on £82k a year is struggling but the govt is TAKING from them in potentially higher taxes and GIViNG this to the person getting the same take home in benefits (plus 16 hrs at NMW).

What is fairer? If they both have the same family set up?

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 20:19

Wingingit247 · 12/11/2025 20:02

I can’t speak for anyone else but I can’t due to severe illness. I know two people who care for children that are so severely disabled they cannot have an hour to themselves let alone go out to work. Can you really not see that some people are in difficult situations that they didn’t choose and are quite literally unable to work??

I don't mean people who are disabled or have an illness, those people should 100% get help, i mean people who actually choose to work part time or not work at all as a lifestyle choice. Thats where the problem is.

Chafing · 12/11/2025 20:20

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 12/11/2025 20:14

Why don’t they have a financial guardian to manage their funds and make these purchases? Have you been told about this process?

It's complicated by my young person being academically able. They are severely autistic with very severe life skills deficits and communication problems but can tell you all about relativity or states of matter or religious minorities or whatever. It's hard to get people to understand that they aren't just "choosing not to" eat or wash or work. They find real life and people and responsibility extremely frightening.

But thank you I will look into it.

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 20:20

People are sick of being taxed to the hilt to pay for benefits. Labour are supposed to be the party of working people. hence the name "Labour". They need to prove this through their actions and policies.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 20:21

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 20:18

People are struggling.

The person on £82k a year is struggling but the govt is TAKING from them in potentially higher taxes and GIViNG this to the person getting the same take home in benefits (plus 16 hrs at NMW).

What is fairer? If they both have the same family set up?

They wont have the same family set up.
Families getting lots in benefit have disabled family members.
You are not comparing like for like.

fivebyfivefaith · 12/11/2025 20:21

I’m claiming benefits for the first time in my life
redundancy followed by my new job letting me go after 8 weeks
I just needed a tiny bit of help while I get a new job, it’s very very short term

£760pm. It’s not even basic bills let alone comfortable

Happinessis80 · 12/11/2025 20:22

This thread is absolutely awful!
I have 2 children with SEN, 1 who is 18 and is in a supported internship!
He may never be able to get a full time paying job but he is trying! He has learning disabilities and autism!
My youngest can only go to school for an hour a day as they can not meet need!
There is no where for him to go! I have to do everything for him!
I get a massive 83 carers a week and that gets taken of our UC top up.
My husband works long hours to try and get UC down as much as we can!
I literally have no life and I would rather be working!

And no free house either as we have a mortgage and Uc does not cover that!
No free child care!
No free prescriptions either!

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 20:24

@fivebyfivefaith im
sorry to hear about your redundancy- I hope you get something sorted soon. It’s a difficult situation when you’re juggling bills and seeking work

largeredformeplease · 12/11/2025 20:31

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 14:59

I don't understand this morally superior attitude of benefit bashing when you are likely entitled to it as well. Does it make you a better person if you don't claim? It is a pittance compared to tax evasion.

Well yeah, I’d say it does make her a better person.

I’d have thought that was obvious?

The welfare state is for those who NEED it. If you CAN work, you SHOULD work. It should be a basic safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

People choosing to claim because they are “ entitled” to it, as you say, are just costing the tax payer money. Tax payers who are getting up and going to work every morning to fund those who choose not to work because they are “entitled” to benefits.

you can’t see that?

This country truly is a shit show.

fivebyfivefaith · 12/11/2025 20:33

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 20:24

@fivebyfivefaith im
sorry to hear about your redundancy- I hope you get something sorted soon. It’s a difficult situation when you’re juggling bills and seeking work

I couldn’t give a shit if it was in vouchers or paid to the council tax or electric company or Aldi food vouchers instead of cash but most people will be fucked if they lost their job
i have lost mine twice in 6 months through no fault of my own
of course i am desperately job seeking/interviews etc but it takes time and i dont know many people who could survive on less than £800pm for long

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