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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:31

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:28

Do it then.

This. They make all these noises, yet don't jack in their jobs, to get all these so called generous benefits. I wonder why they bother wasting time, typing that tripe.

kittywittyandpretty · 12/11/2025 19:31

Crazybigtoe · 12/11/2025 19:21

3 children. GGB. G and B are twins.
Renting in london. Rent £2625
No savings
Twins 13. Oldest G 16.
16 hrs working NMW £852 (absolute min number of hours and wage)

Total benefits : £3969
Total £4821

Reverse £4821 back into www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk and I would need to be earning £82k to bring in that amount.

Why on earth would you bother to work in a more stressful role.

Because the moment those children turn 18 your suppliers turned off
And then what do you do?

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:31

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:28

If you're on benefits you are getting money from the work of others in order to stash it in your bank for a rainy day. Many working people have no savings and nothing to sell. What makes a person on benefits more special than a working person that they can save up to £15,999?

Sell your stuff before you claim benefits like a normal reasonable person would, would be my suggestion.

I don't know anyone on benefits that has managed to save that much. They had that money before they claimed benefits.

MyLimeGuide · 12/11/2025 19:31

Meadowfinch · 12/11/2025 19:14

OP, I have one child because I couldn't afford two.

I work my arse off to pay my mortgage and provide for my child. I could have chosen to go on benefits and set that example for my son, but I chose not to.

I don't appreciate slogging away and paying my taxes so other people can not work AND have two children.

Im the same as you. I have always worked my arse off too! One son, always wanted two but could never afford another. Its obviously shit to know im funding other "parents" to multiply like theres no tomo and never work, not to mention the kids with multiple siblings never get the parenting they need and normally end up with mental health problems from the neglect they suffer.

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:32

kittywittyandpretty · 12/11/2025 19:30

Sorry to spoil things with facts, but it’s actually £6000 that you can keep every pound that you have over £6000 they deduct 50% of the universal credits from

Shouldn't be given so much that you can save thousands. That's just ridiculous.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:33

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:31

This. They make all these noises, yet don't jack in their jobs, to get all these so called generous benefits. I wonder why they bother wasting time, typing that tripe.

Yep, why waste time on here when they could be filling in the forms for UC.
But they won't because they are afraid of being proven wrong.

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:33

@MyLimeGuide - everything you’ve said 👏 👏

Brainstorm23 · 12/11/2025 19:33

This change in policy is completely designed to appease the parliamentary Labour Party. They know it's really unpopular with the public and they don't care. It just goes to show how badly they've messed things up and how weak they are that with a majority of 148 (figures from Institute of Government) they'd even have to consider this sop to the party.

I'm not ignorant of how this policy is affecting children's lives but surely it could be reformed in a much more sensible way than simply lifting it completely. Or better yet redesign the whole welfare system to make work pay and also support really low income families.

SpaceRaccoon · 12/11/2025 19:33

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 19:20

And what if they could afford it then lost their job, or the breadwinner died? Should they be penalised for already having children when they need benefits like your partner did?

The breadwinner should have adequate life insurance. All part of personal responsibility.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:34

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:32

Shouldn't be given so much that you can save thousands. That's just ridiculous.

No one on UC is saving thousands.
But they may have had that money before they claimed UC.

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:34

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:33

Yep, why waste time on here when they could be filling in the forms for UC.
But they won't because they are afraid of being proven wrong.

Exactly.

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:34

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:28

Do it then.

If you are able to be on benefits and make £15k form selling your stuff how did you pay for that stuff in the first place?!

I dont own things worth that. I work 5 days a week in a fucking stressful job, have a fuck off big mortgage (not even a big house) a huge childcare bill one holiday a year in the UK if that.

Ive tried to stay polite but I am fucking tired of working my ass off and having to make choices about the number of children I have because I am entitled to absolutely 0 support to fucking pay for other people to keep having kids

Fucking done I really am. i know youre trying to wind me up but I sleep well at night knowing its all to at least leave my limited number of children a home or some money, if not a lot when im no longer here

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:35

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:31

I don't know anyone on benefits that has managed to save that much. They had that money before they claimed benefits.

Should have spent it before claiming benefits.

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 19:35

The maximum amount a person can claim on benefits should be significantly less than what the lowest paid person working full-time earns. That way there is always an incentive to work.

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 19:36

SpaceRaccoon · 12/11/2025 19:33

The breadwinner should have adequate life insurance. All part of personal responsibility.

What about those with certain illnesses or disabilities who are unable to take out life insurance?

ruethewhirl · 12/11/2025 19:36

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 19:35

The maximum amount a person can claim on benefits should be significantly less than what the lowest paid person working full-time earns. That way there is always an incentive to work.

That would be fair enough if there were enough jobs to go round. There aren’t.

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:36

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 19:35

The maximum amount a person can claim on benefits should be significantly less than what the lowest paid person working full-time earns. That way there is always an incentive to work.

Hard agree

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:36

WendyErica · 12/11/2025 19:30

I'm pleased you consider my disability "real". However, what you're describing, incidentally, isn't unfair. The bone-crushing, pain-inducing, agony of my "real" disability is. Yours is just... work. I know you think by caveating that you care for "real disabilities" you're not complicit when budget cuts come. That's not how it works. PIP impacts ALL the disabled. The mum with cancer. The teen with cystic fibrosis... everyone.

With all due respect, you don’t know what it’s like to have OCD, battling horrendous intrusive thoughts that don’t let you sleep, or rest. Thoughts that loop and loop and you still drag yourself in to do a long day at work, exhausted to the point some days of wanting to hide away and cry. Or getting banging migraine after banging migraine after banging bloody migraine, 14 days in a row. And then at the end of that, you don’t have any savings, let alone £6,000 to £16,000.

No, you’re right. It’s “just work”.

and of course “I’ve got the option of getting a better job so I can earn more (and pay more)”.

Perhaps consider why people are so resentful of being collared for more tax. It’s not because they are having a jolly, but are just selfish.

Summerhut2025 · 12/11/2025 19:36

Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

Will they be paying private rent though? Won’t most be living in social housing which would be less than that?

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:38

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:34

If you are able to be on benefits and make £15k form selling your stuff how did you pay for that stuff in the first place?!

I dont own things worth that. I work 5 days a week in a fucking stressful job, have a fuck off big mortgage (not even a big house) a huge childcare bill one holiday a year in the UK if that.

Ive tried to stay polite but I am fucking tired of working my ass off and having to make choices about the number of children I have because I am entitled to absolutely 0 support to fucking pay for other people to keep having kids

Fucking done I really am. i know youre trying to wind me up but I sleep well at night knowing its all to at least leave my limited number of children a home or some money, if not a lot when im no longer here

I never said I made £15k selling stuff.
And many people on UC had jobs before they had to claim. Accumulated things they could sell. If you can't afford to run a car then sell it. A few grand in your pocket from that. It is not hard to work out.

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 19:38

ruethewhirl · 12/11/2025 19:36

That would be fair enough if there were enough jobs to go round. There aren’t.

People need to up their game and compete for the jobs that are available.

SpaceRaccoon · 12/11/2025 19:38

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 19:36

What about those with certain illnesses or disabilities who are unable to take out life insurance?

There's always going to be exceptions but the average working person can jump online and get live insurance for a fairly reasonable monthly sum.

I'm from a country with far less generous state support and life insurance is considered one of the most important monthly bills.

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:40

@AlexisP90 100 agree! It should be at best min wage at about 25 hours a week! Utterly cheesed off with life! My son wanted to go on a football trip abroad with school next year, dickhead here can’t afford said trip for the child that I love and work hard to provide for- yet low and behold 3 of the kids from parents that don’t work are magically able to whip up the 2000k price tag. I have no words.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:40

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:35

Should have spent it before claiming benefits.

They don't have to though as the limit is £16k.
There has to be a line somewhere, and that is it.

How much would be saved in the welfare bill if the savings limit was lower?

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/11/2025 19:40

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 14:49

You do know that most of those things don't exist right? Maybe its area dependent.

reduced/free council tax, my reduction was a huge £7 pcm.
prescriptions, I actually get these free anyway, but a lot of people won't ever need them.

dental care, Good luck getting an NHS app!
childcare/HAFS, Never had free childcare. Only early years/preschool funding and then actual school. The holiday clubs on offer were crap.
holiday food vouchers per child, these were stopped ages ago.
breakfast and afterschool clubs, still have to pay for this
reduced transport cost, Never heard of this
winter hardship fund hahaha. Impossible to get.

@Pinkbowls I agree with you. The covid uplift was the same. Costs increased for unemployed families too. Yet no extra money. I think the benefit cap is one of the worst policies ever. There probably should be some kind of limit, but the current one isn't enough to live on in many places.

My friend in Kent gets most of these @PractisingMyTelekenipsis

Her ct is around £46 a month. I pay 157 - same size property

doesn’t get free prescriptions

does get free dentist for her and kids

does get the haf holiday vouchers

does get £10 a week per child food voucher on school holidays

does get free before /after school care

doesn’t get reduced transport

does get winter hardship - think was £100 g/e and £50 cash via post office

plus the £150 warm home

she works 30hrs a week - single parent - I don’t begrudge her getting these even tho I’m a single parent who works on uc

only thing I got was the £150 warm home to octopus and yes grateful for that

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