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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:23

babyproblems · 12/11/2025 19:18

IMO the most important statement on this whole thread is “it’s wrong that employers can pay poverty wages”
this x10000.

There are so many businesses in the UK that are basically subsidised by the state it’s ridiculous. The hidden truth here is that many businesses are not actually creating value at all, so cannot pay people ‘enough’- previous governments have helped them keep everyone’s pay low - apart from the directors, the CEO and the shareholders that is, whose pay has increased wildly and I mean wildly beyond most people’s comprehension.

If business paid proper wages - and not wages subsidised by the government where people have to claim benefits on the side, or the government reward businesses for creating ‘fake’ jobs (has a job really been created by growth, if it can’t afford to pay a ‘true’ salary to the worker??) then many people wouldn’t need to claim benefits.

Why aren’t we angry at the 1% who are hoarding wealth like you wouldn’t believe, deliberately not paying tax, keeping as much profit as they possibly can whilst not paying staff the wage they deserve / have actually earnt.

Oh and this group of people are also convincing the public to vote for the increasingly extreme right wing. Again purely to bolster their own interests, keep their wealth ring fenced from the societies they parasite off of, and to corrode employment law so their source of income is even more sure thing for the future.

@Pinkbowls lovely thread and great explanation of the reality in your op. We need more balance and actual understanding on here!!! Xox

“Hoarding wealth’

The same old sound bites.

You can’t just take it off them because they ‘earned’ it. You might not like that they did, and in some cases they might have done so off the back of old hard working people, but that’s the price we pay for capitalism.

I’d still rather that than socialism though, which always ends up with everybody levelling down. At least with capitalism you have the opportunity to make more, work harder.

Socialism kills any form of motivation or get up and go. I mean, why would people work hard and contribute, if there is a much easier alternative?

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:23

MyLimeGuide · 12/11/2025 19:19

Agree. Being able to 'save benefits' is an outrage.

Even if they save because they are cutting back on other things? Or are really good at budgeting?

Or they sold items they were no longer using.

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:23

Also im sorry you can have £16k in savings and still claim benefits?!

Im out. Im on the fucking floor i really am.

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:24

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:23

Even if they save because they are cutting back on other things? Or are really good at budgeting?

Or they sold items they were no longer using.

Edited

Mental.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:24

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:23

Also im sorry you can have £16k in savings and still claim benefits?!

Im out. Im on the fucking floor i really am.

No you can't. If you have £16k, you can't claim anything.

JazzyBBBG · 12/11/2025 19:24

I do wonder where this whole notion comes from - Labour cannot read the fucking room.

And our birth rate is falling anyway so how many large families are there? In the scheme of things it's minimal numbers but the same people who know how to play the system.

In the last week it's actually made me consider emigrating, voting Reform, having another baby and giving up my job (not that I'd get child benefit anyway) but seriously just feel taken for a bloody ride.

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:25

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:24

No you can't. If you have £16k, you can't claim anything.

You know what she means!

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:25

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:24

No you can't. If you have £16k, you can't claim anything.

But if you have £15,999 youre fine?!

You know i know a lot of working people and I can probably name about 3 who have that in savings.

What a fucking joke

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:25

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:24

Mental.

How so?

Is someone on UC not allowed to sell their own items to raise some money?

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:25

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 19:22

I don't know the numbers, but regardless, please do let us know how it works out for you, and how much you will be raking in!

I don’t need to be raking it in. I only need to be getting enough to save £16,000. I’d be happy with that.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 19:26

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:18

Well, millions of people have had success haven’t they?

I just pretend really really well. I buy my consultants steaks occasionally and they back me up.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:26

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:25

But if you have £15,999 youre fine?!

You know i know a lot of working people and I can probably name about 3 who have that in savings.

What a fucking joke

That is their issue though, not people on benefits. If they don't earn enough to save, then they can change that instead of blaming other people. Take some responsibility.

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:26

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:25

How so?

Is someone on UC not allowed to sell their own items to raise some money?

Making £15k + from selling items?! Man I should quit work and just sell my old clothes if thats how its done

ClassicalQueen · 12/11/2025 19:27

They should stop having children they can’t afford. It’s not designed to be a comfortable amount, or there would be no incentive to have a job.

Rescuedogblues · 12/11/2025 19:28

Chafing · 12/11/2025 19:04

Ok so what happens when the washing machine breaks down, or their child needs new shoes? Are they allowed to have keep some savings to buy Christmas presents and a turkey? What about living conditions. How basic should it be? Could they spend some cash on a picture for their walls? Do a couple of cushions count as essential or should benefits claimants not be allowed such things?

You're forgetting we get that massive Christmas bonus in December! Obviously the turkey and presents come out of that. And if our washing machine breaks then we should do our washing in the stream.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:28

AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 19:26

Making £15k + from selling items?! Man I should quit work and just sell my old clothes if thats how its done

Do it then.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:28

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:26

That is their issue though, not people on benefits. If they don't earn enough to save, then they can change that instead of blaming other people. Take some responsibility.

You could quite easily say that about people on benefits though. Not my problem they don’t have a job. If they don’t have enough money to live, then they just need to take responsibility and get one.

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:28

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:25

How so?

Is someone on UC not allowed to sell their own items to raise some money?

If you're on benefits you are getting money from the work of others in order to stash it in your bank for a rainy day. Many working people have no savings and nothing to sell. What makes a person on benefits more special than a working person that they can save up to £15,999?

Sell your stuff before you claim benefits like a normal reasonable person would, would be my suggestion.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:29

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:28

You could quite easily say that about people on benefits though. Not my problem they don’t have a job. If they don’t have enough money to live, then they just need to take responsibility and get one.

Yes, people say that about people on benefits all the time.
But the fact a working person can not save is not the fault of someone on benefits. Stop punching down.

dogsandbudgey · 12/11/2025 19:29

honestly my mind is blown?! Are you actually telling me there are real life people walking about, with£15k savings still claiming benefits? Is it any wonder some people are “benefit bashers” surely people understand that this makes people pissedoff?

WendyErica · 12/11/2025 19:30

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:14

But work SHOULD pay. People who work, should be able to reap the reward of that, because most people don’t want to work. It’s a slog! It’s horrible getting up at 6am, leaving for work at 7am, leaving work at 6pm tomorrow for me, and getting home at 7pm. All you have time for is a shower, a sandwich and half an hour watching some TV before you’re crashing. It’s completely unfair that equity is the goal here.

I actually don’t mind about people with real disabilities. Not anxiety. But MND, Parkinson’s etc. No problem supporting this type of person at all. But other groups I have a massive issue with frankly.

I'm pleased you consider my disability "real". However, what you're describing, incidentally, isn't unfair. The bone-crushing, pain-inducing, agony of my "real" disability is. Yours is just... work. I know you think by caveating that you care for "real disabilities" you're not complicit when budget cuts come. That's not how it works. PIP impacts ALL the disabled. The mum with cancer. The teen with cystic fibrosis... everyone.

Yogabearmous · 12/11/2025 19:30

If they are serious about stopping child poverty they should sort out child maintenance payments. You’ll automatically lift thousands of kids out of poverty and make the absent parent take responsibility. The amount of self employed dads having multiple holidays that are only “earning” minimum wage would be the first thing to look at rather than the 2 child cap.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 19:30

MyLimeGuide · 12/11/2025 19:23

Its quite rare that the 'breadwinner' just dies, and there is something called health insurance.

Funny you should say that as my brother died 18 months ago. 56 years old. He didn't have the kind of job that has health insurance. And employees have to pay a lot of tax on that even if they do, so many of them don't take out health insurance.

He didn't have life insurance or death in service benefit or critical illness cover. He was the breadwinner because his partner has a part time job to look after their kid who has special needs. She is now claiming benefits. Had their four other kids not been adults, she'd be claiming a lot more.

kittywittyandpretty · 12/11/2025 19:30

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:28

If you're on benefits you are getting money from the work of others in order to stash it in your bank for a rainy day. Many working people have no savings and nothing to sell. What makes a person on benefits more special than a working person that they can save up to £15,999?

Sell your stuff before you claim benefits like a normal reasonable person would, would be my suggestion.

Sorry to spoil things with facts, but it’s actually £6000 that you can keep every pound that you have over £6000 they deduct 50% of the universal credits from

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 19:31

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:29

Yes, people say that about people on benefits all the time.
But the fact a working person can not save is not the fault of someone on benefits. Stop punching down.

You are morally wrong. There's a big difference between working and being on benefits. Work should lead to greater reward than a life living off taxpayers.

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