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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:23

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TigerRag · 12/11/2025 18:23

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:20

Then this person very quickly finds ANY job to support themselves

What happens if they can't work? My parents have 2 disabled adult children including myself. How do you think they could afford to support both of us? And before you ask, I'm younger than my brother and no, my parents weren't aware of my brother's disabilities before I was born

Youdontseehow · 12/11/2025 18:23

PeanutChunky · 12/11/2025 17:37

Remember also we have a falling birth rate coupled with an aging population so we actually need people to be having DC.

My no doubt unpopular view, is that the kids of someone on benefits who has lots of children, are not all going to grow up to be hard-working taxpayers who solve the problems of an ageing population. It would be great if that was the case but I really don’t see it happening.

Statistically they don’t all need to do it. There’s no such thing as “full employment” / there will always be a “natural” level of unemployment.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:24

I don’t want to work anymore. It’s such a grind. I’m so exhausted. I’ve been working for 32 years straight, with another 21 to go. If I quit, can I just claim £2000 a month?
This isn’t fair anymore.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:24

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I do need to. I get PIP to enable me to work you fool

PERSONAL IDEPENDANCE PAYMENT

For my independence....

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:24

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She wouldn't have got PIP if she wasn't disabled. Sounds deserving to me.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:25

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Youdontseehow · 12/11/2025 18:25

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:02

I just dont see why working people have to earn less to give more money to people on benefits. Or for a nation of nearly 70 milion to pay people to have children. Cut your coat to suit your cloth and dont be a parasite.

That should be the over-all policy and approach to this. And then people can claim a safety net (which is what benefits should be) rather than a lifestyle choice, which should be rigorously assessed in person and apply to individual circumstances.

I don’t disagree.

I just worry about vulnerable women left with children to raise on their own.

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 18:25

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:46

I also think we need to force men to pay more for their kids and reduce benefits accordingly. My best friend has an 8 year old with her ex, he left when their daughter was 3, he lives a few miles away and earns 70k (it’s also a poorer area so his mortgage etc will be minimal). He now lives with his new girlfriend and their baby and doesn’t pay a penny to my friend as he takes their child half the time. Meanwhile my friend works 15 hours and the rest is UC. Why the fuck should the state be paying to house and feed his child when he’s a high earner?!

But we know stories like this are lies, because a single parent is only allowed U.C. if she or he is earning the equivalent of 30 hours' a week on minimum wage.

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:25

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:24

I don’t want to work anymore. It’s such a grind. I’m so exhausted. I’ve been working for 32 years straight, with another 21 to go. If I quit, can I just claim £2000 a month?
This isn’t fair anymore.

Do you have a mortgage and school age kids?

Chafing · 12/11/2025 18:25

Allseeingallknowing · 12/11/2025 18:13

Could he have worked when you were helping him out?

He was looking for any kind of work more or less full time! He also had to attend the job centre weekly.

You seem to have no idea how hard it is to get a job at present. He applied for cinemas, clubs, bars and cafes; they all wanted experienced workers. His previous Summer work in an IT company didn't qualify him to serve drinks or wait tables. If anyone was looking for someone with no experience they would take on someone younger as at 21 the minimum wage increases.

Anyway he finally got full time work. And no, he wasn't holding out for his ideal job in a graduate scheme. He works in a call centre.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:25

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:24

I don’t want to work anymore. It’s such a grind. I’m so exhausted. I’ve been working for 32 years straight, with another 21 to go. If I quit, can I just claim £2000 a month?
This isn’t fair anymore.

Do it then.
Then report back here.

OonaStubbs · 12/11/2025 18:26

The benefits system needs to be scrapped and started again from scratch. This isn't how it was supposed to be. It was supposed to be a safety net. It's turned into a hammock.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:26

TigerRag · 12/11/2025 18:23

What happens if they can't work? My parents have 2 disabled adult children including myself. How do you think they could afford to support both of us? And before you ask, I'm younger than my brother and no, my parents weren't aware of my brother's disabilities before I was born

We are going in circles. This example was not about someone who can’t work.
It was about a man who can work but his parents think that the government should subsidise his job search and not them even though they can help him out.

what someone who can’t work has to do with it??

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:26

At the moment the country is about to go bust. Everyone knows that. And if that happens then no one will get anything. So everyone is going to have to bear the pain for while to get tbrough to 2029. Rachel Reeves said so. We are all in this together. And that will include people on benefits. No more BMW cars for the whole family. No raising of the two child benefit cap. No steak. And an acknowledgement that no one is "entitled" to anything that other people have to work to provide to them.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:27

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:25

Do you have a mortgage and school age kids?

I have a mortgage. Though I’d be willlng to sell up and rent. I really couldn’t care less. Not having to work another day would be worth it.

kittywittyandpretty · 12/11/2025 18:27

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 18:25

But we know stories like this are lies, because a single parent is only allowed U.C. if she or he is earning the equivalent of 30 hours' a week on minimum wage.

That’s not true. They can insist all they like that she should be earning 30 hours a week worth of minimum wage but if she can’t find it.
As long as she’s making the effort to look, they will pay

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:27

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:21

Buying steak

A whole £2.90 from morrisons, £2.99 from asda, £2.88 in tesco and a huge £2.75 for enough steak for two from sainsburys.

Throwitaway12345 · 12/11/2025 18:27

MossAndLeaves · 12/11/2025 13:54

Could you comfortably live off that?..

That's my monthly take home. So, yes. And I actually have to go to work for it.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:28

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:27

A whole £2.90 from morrisons, £2.99 from asda, £2.88 in tesco and a huge £2.75 for enough steak for two from sainsburys.

Whoooa dont go overboard now. You wont be able to stretch to peppercorn sauce!

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:28

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

Agree. I’m disabled and I know how tough disability is and I 100% believe parent carers need more PRACTICAL support (funded residential respite centres is what I would choose to throw money at if I were PM). But they’re not ‘saving the state a fortune’ - they’re fulfilling their responsibility to a child they chose to have. In the way I’m not ‘saving the state a fortune’ by not neglecting my disability and needing £££ in medical care.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:28

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:24

I do need to. I get PIP to enable me to work you fool

PERSONAL IDEPENDANCE PAYMENT

For my independence....

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don’t try to wiggle. You said your and your husband wages are enough to support you and give you comfort, and PIP is there to level the playing field

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:28

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:27

I have a mortgage. Though I’d be willlng to sell up and rent. I really couldn’t care less. Not having to work another day would be worth it.

Yeah right you would give up the security of a mortgage. You would be entitled to roughly £500 If that.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:29

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

I bet some sirloin that they would rather not have a child with such profound disabilities that residential care would be something to be considered.

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