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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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Julen7 · 12/11/2025 18:29

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Exactly this, the moment anything related to benefits comes up for discussion (because the country can’t afford it) the words “horrible” and “disgusting” are banded about. Give it a rest.

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 18:29

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/11/2025 14:16

2 grand per month tax free for doing fuck all?! No wonder my taxes are going up. Can't have those guys needing to work for a living can we.

Exactly i earn less than that and have to survive and get to actually go to work. Benefits in this country are too generous and that's why people cant be arsed to work.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:30

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

Christ. Bet even Scrooge had more heart than you.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:30

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 18:28

don’t try to wiggle. You said your and your husband wages are enough to support you and give you comfort, and PIP is there to level the playing field

To better our lives yes. You know, being able to put the heating on when we're cold. The occasional treat for our dc.

My PIP gets me physio, taxis, aids, meds. And helps when I have to have a long time off sick when recovering from the 9 surgeries I've had over the last 6 years. Im not wiggling anywhere

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:30

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 18:25

But we know stories like this are lies, because a single parent is only allowed U.C. if she or he is earning the equivalent of 30 hours' a week on minimum wage.

What?! That’s bullshit. Why on earth would they give you UC only if you earn nearly a full time wage?

ElderlyCat · 12/11/2025 18:30

user1471538275 · 12/11/2025 18:25

All those people saying 'it would cost more to put my child into care'

It's YOUR child. You are always responsible for it. It is the deal you made when you had children.

You are lucky that the society you live in helps you out and provides what it does to help you - food, shelter, healthcare, education, transport.

Why do you want more than what others have?

Because some on here are saying we shouldn’t get that support. If it’s taken away my child still needs that care so the alternative option is residential care so I can work. That will cost the tax payer far more than the benefits I receive.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:31

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:27

A whole £2.90 from morrisons, £2.99 from asda, £2.88 in tesco and a huge £2.75 for enough steak for two from sainsburys.

It is a shame you can no longer name change in a thread.
"GovermentFundedSteak" would be it.

ThatMintDuck · 12/11/2025 18:31

I thought that the 2 Child Benefit cap concerns this child benefit: https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit/what-youll-get

  • which is available to families if neither parent earns over £60k. The amount is £26.05 for the eldest child in the household and £17.25 for the younger child which, at the most equates to £1423.85 per year if you have two children. This would be a subsequent £897 per annum per extra child if they lifted the cap. If my maths is right.

If this helps lift children out of poverty, then surely the government is right to consider lifting this cap? Every child is equal, no child should be made to suffer.

Child Benefit

Child Benefit - child benefit rates, eligibility, how to claim, child benefit claim form CH2.

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit/what-youll-get

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 18:31

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:25

Do it then.
Then report back here.

Yes apparently it’s super easy and a quick process to get PSP - Personal
steak payment !

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:31

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:28

Whoooa dont go overboard now. You wont be able to stretch to peppercorn sauce!

I think that sort of facetious entitled comment about you benefiting off the work of other people is what sets people against the current benefits system. Very counter productive attitude if you are trying to get people on your side of the argument. And if you arent, why bother posting at all.

PeanutChunky · 12/11/2025 18:31

Even ten years ago, I feel I was much ‘kinder’. Much more idealistic. I would support benefits going to families and would have no issue with people claiming benefits for whatever reason they needed. Because I felt privileged to have a job and a better life.

I kind of miss the person I was. I am now much more tired, struggling, worried about the cost of living, concerned about whether my kids will find jobs, worried about the future and ageing population, and the increase in benefits claimants and how we will fund our old age. And outside of all that, there is climate change, political unrest and it feels like there is doom and gloom everywhere. I feel much more ‘hardened’ now, though I don’t agree with the more extreme comments on this thread.

I suspect I’m not alone in this. As life becomes harder, many people find it more difficult to sympathise with others, especially if they themselves are working full-time in a hard and stressful job and still struggling with the cost of living and imminent tax rises. It may not be ‘right’ but I can understand why it is happening as I see it in myself, I hate to admit.

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 12/11/2025 18:32

MossAndLeaves · 12/11/2025 13:54

Could you comfortably live off that?..

comfortably live off nearly ten grand a month tax free? You cannot be serious.

Frankly anyone being given that amount in benefits is a disgrace.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:32

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:30

Christ. Bet even Scrooge had more heart than you.

No, they’re rightly (and uncomfortably) touching on the fact it’s this ‘I’m doing everyone around me a favour by not making things worse for myself’ attitude that has lead to a claiming culture.

Nobody is ‘saving the state money’ by fulfilling a parental duty. They absolutely need support but that’s not the same as ‘saving the state a fortune’

Bootsies · 12/11/2025 18:32

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what are you trying to say? I don't understand it? that we are making my DCs conditions up? I would change in a heartbeat with anyone who has 2 healthy DC. Whom do you want to investigate me (or people) like me having more than one child with disabilities? I really don't understand your point? What are we supposed to do? Drown them after birth so the don't cost???

Julen7 · 12/11/2025 18:33

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:31

I think that sort of facetious entitled comment about you benefiting off the work of other people is what sets people against the current benefits system. Very counter productive attitude if you are trying to get people on your side of the argument. And if you arent, why bother posting at all.

This.

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 18:33

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Also maybe they should think before they get pregnant 'will i be able to support a child if it has complex needs?'

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 18:33

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:30

What?! That’s bullshit. Why on earth would they give you UC only if you earn nearly a full time wage?

Because nobody is allowed any benefits unless they work and earn, with some short periods to look for work as long as they prove they're spending 30 + hours a week doing so and going to Jobcentre meetings a few times a week and applying to any job they're told to. This has been the law for a long time now.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:33

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:28

Yeah right you would give up the security of a mortgage. You would be entitled to roughly £500 If that.

The security of a mortgage?

It’s a ball and chain. If I didn’t have a son I wanted to leave it to, I’d sell it and buy a camper van.

At this rate though I might do that, because at next Labour will be telling me that when I die, they get my house, as they’ll need it to support other people’s kids.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:34

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:31

I think that sort of facetious entitled comment about you benefiting off the work of other people is what sets people against the current benefits system. Very counter productive attitude if you are trying to get people on your side of the argument. And if you arent, why bother posting at all.

I'm blatantly taking the piss. I'm not the one saying that disabled people shouldn't be eating steak

I am sick to death of the judgement on these nasty threads. There can never be a measured discussion. There is never questions on how it would impact someone who has a disability that is only ever going to get worse.

If I want to make a joke about absurd comments, I bloody well will

(Oh and incase you missed it, I work too)

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 18:34

ihaterain2024 · 12/11/2025 18:29

Exactly i earn less than that and have to survive and get to actually go to work. Benefits in this country are too generous and that's why people cant be arsed to work.

Have you ever been on benefits? They do not provide a life of luxury, no matter what you may think.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:34

ElderlyCat · 12/11/2025 18:30

Because some on here are saying we shouldn’t get that support. If it’s taken away my child still needs that care so the alternative option is residential care so I can work. That will cost the tax payer far more than the benefits I receive.

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But that’s not you saving the state money, that’s just saying if X happens it’ll cost them more because of Y.

It’s like me saying if they stopped funding my lifesaving meds then they would have to oh a fortune to put me on life support, so I’m saving them a fortune by taking them. It’s not logical.

Heathotstuff · 12/11/2025 18:35

Livelovebehappy · 12/11/2025 16:47

Those who are on benefits and low wages shouldn’t be having 4/5/6 children. They can’t afford them so shouldn’t be encouraged and supported by the government to increase their families when they can’t afford to. Too many people think that whatever their circumstances they have a ‘right’ to have as many children they want. Ive always worked full time. Would have loved to have had more than two DCs, but I couldn’t afford so stopped at two. Surely this is how all people should think.

THIS!

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:35

LadyKenya · 12/11/2025 18:34

Have you ever been on benefits? They do not provide a life of luxury, no matter what you may think.

Maybe not luxury but many claimants live a far more comfortable life than those working. I saw an Insta reel the other day about ‘what I spend my child’s DLA on’ and one item was a trip to a nail bar for £50 acrylics. I’m not joking, she’s a public ‘influencer’ so I’m happy to send you the account details (via PM) if you want.

Julen7 · 12/11/2025 18:36

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:33

The security of a mortgage?

It’s a ball and chain. If I didn’t have a son I wanted to leave it to, I’d sell it and buy a camper van.

At this rate though I might do that, because at next Labour will be telling me that when I die, they get my house, as they’ll need it to support other people’s kids.

Surprised they haven’t started taking our houses now really.

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 18:37

PeanutChunky · 12/11/2025 18:31

Even ten years ago, I feel I was much ‘kinder’. Much more idealistic. I would support benefits going to families and would have no issue with people claiming benefits for whatever reason they needed. Because I felt privileged to have a job and a better life.

I kind of miss the person I was. I am now much more tired, struggling, worried about the cost of living, concerned about whether my kids will find jobs, worried about the future and ageing population, and the increase in benefits claimants and how we will fund our old age. And outside of all that, there is climate change, political unrest and it feels like there is doom and gloom everywhere. I feel much more ‘hardened’ now, though I don’t agree with the more extreme comments on this thread.

I suspect I’m not alone in this. As life becomes harder, many people find it more difficult to sympathise with others, especially if they themselves are working full-time in a hard and stressful job and still struggling with the cost of living and imminent tax rises. It may not be ‘right’ but I can understand why it is happening as I see it in myself, I hate to admit.

I disagree. It's harder to empathise with the people who use the accrument of wealth by the few to the detriment of the many as an excuse to turn against those more vulnerable than themselves, rather than stand up for a better, more caring world. It might be human nature, but it's a vicious, dangerous, nasty side of it showing in these threads.

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