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To think feminism’s biggest blind spot is female entitlement?

136 replies

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:53

We talk about male privilege all the time but we rarely look at the ways women leverage social sympathy. AIBU to think equality means accountability too, even when it’s uncomfortable?

OP posts:
SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/11/2025 13:35

nomas · 11/11/2025 15:43

If that's true, why do married men live longer than single men, yet single women live longer than married women?

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Minor factual correction:
Married men and women have a longer life expectancy/lower mortality rates than single men and women across all age groups:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7452000/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalitybymaritalstatusinenglandandwales/2010to2019

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/11/2025 13:48

Brefugee · 11/11/2025 16:26

who is trying to shut anyone up?
Quite the contrary. the OP has made a very stupid "observation" and rather than telling OP to shut up we're well into 5 pages of people asking the OP to clarify.

And then there's you, of course.

I'm a 2nd wave feminist. You're welcome.

Just because there are 5 pages of confused people, doesn’t mean no one understood what the OP was asking: to have a discussion on female entitlement (which while not as large as male entitlement does exist) and her postulation that it is “the biggest blind spot in feminism today”

What followed has been disappointing……

I had hoped this thread would have engaged with the OP’s intruiging question?

Even if you don’t think female entitlement exists, or even if it does it is so tiny as to be irrelevant, what do you think is feminism’s biggest blind spot today? What did our mothers and grandmothers not see that we think should be fought for?

There must be something?

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 12/11/2025 13:51

Congrats on using the exact same phrase “expecting emotional labour from men,” as you did in your earlier post today on “patriarchal perks” (no one knew wtf that meant either) under the username DualStandardWren (and now we get FairGameJay). AI really is a curse. That post was deleted, and this one will be, too.

Hoardasurass · 12/11/2025 14:05

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:28

Things like expecting emotional labour from men without recognising it as a two-way street or assuming our feelings automatically take priority in an argument because we’re the more ‘sensitive’ gender. It’s not about blaming women, just noticing where social sympathy sometimes turns into double standards.

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Your having a laugh men do almost no emotional labour its the women who do 90%+ of it with no thanks or respect.
Take your DARVO back to redit

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/11/2025 14:21

I’m starting to think OP’s point on women being resistant to self-reflection on feminism as a movement is spot on. Never have I seen so many knee jerk DFOD type responses.

pinkyredrose · 12/11/2025 14:27

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:19

Not less self-aware, just less socially expected to be self-aware in certain contexts. Men tend to get called out more directly for their behaviour, whereas women are often given the benefit of the doubt or framed as victims. That dynamic can make self-reflection harder to practice consistently.

I disagree, i think women are more often blamed for things that a man wouldn't be. People expect women to be more accomplished than a man on the same work level I've found.

Hoardasurass · 12/11/2025 14:28

Naunet · 11/11/2025 15:01

So what do we blame for men having flaws? Menism?

But men dont have any flaws obviously 🙄

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/11/2025 14:37

pinkyredrose · 12/11/2025 14:27

I disagree, i think women are more often blamed for things that a man wouldn't be. People expect women to be more accomplished than a man on the same work level I've found.

Yeah, I agree (with you pinkyrose) that’s an example of male entitlement.
When it comes to entitlement, men have >90% of it.

female entitlement is really imho the table scraps men let us have that aren’t really doing us any good.

Example: Paid maternity leave with no equal expectation of paid paternity leave is the #1 cause of the motherhood penalty and gender pay gap today. This special female entitlement ends up costing women dearly because then we become the default caregiver and we are the ones leaving the workforce for years, cutting hours, taking lower paid jobs, hampering our career progression if not outright scuppering it.

Ponderingwindow · 12/11/2025 14:40

are you trying to argue that women are allowed to simply win arguments because we say we deserve not to have our feelings hurt? That is the exact opposite of what I experience in real life and definitely isn’t an argument of feminism.

Kreepture · 12/11/2025 14:47

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 12/11/2025 14:21

I’m starting to think OP’s point on women being resistant to self-reflection on feminism as a movement is spot on. Never have I seen so many knee jerk DFOD type responses.

THe op wasn't asking us to reflect on feminism as a whole. the point of her very obfuscated, waffly thread, was to ask about accountability for social situations where emotion or simply being female might influence it.

Hence my post earlier about women ALWAYS being accountable for EVERY social interaction, and held to higher standards than men at every point in our existence, getting a lot of agree/heart reacts to it.

Brooklans · 12/11/2025 15:28

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:59

Things like expecting emotional leniency because we’re women or using vulnerability to deflect responsibility. For example, when women make poor choices in relationships or workplaces but frame it as something ‘done to’ them rather than something they also contributed to. It’s not about blaming, just about holding both genders to the same standard of self-awareness.

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I agree with you on this one OP. I’ve expressed this opinion many a time and each time I’ve been accused of dragging women down, not being a “girls girl”. I hate that saying with a passion, I’m a grown woman for a start and I don’t have to agree with every single decision another woman makes simply because we share the same gender. That in itself is female entitlement.

In terms of making bad decisions with relationships, I have personally witnessed this. I cut off a close friendship of 9 years with a woman as she continued to get pregnant and bring children into a toxic relationship with a man who was a vile abusive and neglectful father. I have witnessed this man shout in the face of his primary school aged daughters, telling them he wishes they were dead, called them c*nts, and threaten to put them into foster care, and smack them. My friend seemed to think it was normal to a degree and brushed it off that he was “moody’. He did nothing for those kids, refused to ever look after them by himself. The kids were not well cared for, the school intervened a few times as they’d gone to school smelling of the dad’s weed that he smoked. Despite all this, she’d get pregnant again (yes I know she didn’t get pregnant by herself, blah blah) Anyway each time he’d be furious of course, tell her to abort. She continued with the pregnancies and neither of them would leave the house, so continued to choose lived together in an unhappy relationship, while his resentment to having children only grew and grew, and his behaviour towards them got worse.

Many would label her a victim, I’ve no doubt he was abusive to her but at that point I’d lost any sympathy for her as she was choosing to subject innocent children to him. I couldn’t bare listening to anymore stories of his behaviour and her running the me crying because he’d repeated his behaviour for the 57fh time. It was incredibly frustrating watching her not act in her children’s best interests. I don’t care who thinks I’m judgemental.

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