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To think feminism’s biggest blind spot is female entitlement?

136 replies

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:53

We talk about male privilege all the time but we rarely look at the ways women leverage social sympathy. AIBU to think equality means accountability too, even when it’s uncomfortable?

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FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:35

usedtobeaylis · 11/11/2025 14:29

To be clear, you're saying that feminism encourages a mindset about women as the 'sensitive gender'?

Not exactly. I don’t think feminism encourages that mindset, more that parts of modern culture still reinforce it alongside feminism. Feminism challenges inequality but social narratives about women being the more emotional or nurturing gender sometimes linger underneath, and that can shape how accountability plays out in real life.

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Millytante · 11/11/2025 14:36

I don’t think you think much of feminism, nor all that much of women either. You just sound like something some women do really pisses you off, and you want a bit of retribution to be served.
Maybe it’s the behaviour of just one woman, and you believe she falls back on ‘feminism’ as an excuse for whatever sin you believe she has committed. (A bit like people blaming feminism for Lily Allen at her worst, according to comments in the Daily Mail!)

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:37

5128gap · 11/11/2025 14:30

'Ourselves as women', is it? Well perhaps you could start us off with an example, where you as a woman felt you didn't reflect and scrutinise yourself and hold yourself as accountable as a man would have done in the same position? Then we can see if it resonates at all with how we behave 'ourselves as women'.

I’ll own that one. I’ve definitely had moments in past jobs where I vented about a colleague being ‘difficult’ without really reflecting on how my own tone or approach might’ve contributed to the tension. It’s easier to frame it as something that happened to me rather than something I played a part in. That’s all I mean - not that women never reflect, just that we all sometimes default to self-protection before self-awareness.

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HappyGilmorex · 11/11/2025 14:38

As a handy tip for others, that specific phraseology of 'its about X, not Y' (in this case, 'it's about balance, not blame') is an absolute giveaway for AI generated content, particularly when, as here, it's found in vague, word-salad type comments.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 14:38

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:37

I’ll own that one. I’ve definitely had moments in past jobs where I vented about a colleague being ‘difficult’ without really reflecting on how my own tone or approach might’ve contributed to the tension. It’s easier to frame it as something that happened to me rather than something I played a part in. That’s all I mean - not that women never reflect, just that we all sometimes default to self-protection before self-awareness.

You think that this kind of behaviour is exclusive to women?

Millytante · 11/11/2025 14:39

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:37

I’ll own that one. I’ve definitely had moments in past jobs where I vented about a colleague being ‘difficult’ without really reflecting on how my own tone or approach might’ve contributed to the tension. It’s easier to frame it as something that happened to me rather than something I played a part in. That’s all I mean - not that women never reflect, just that we all sometimes default to self-protection before self-awareness.

What in the name of Blessed Germaine has any of that directly to do with feminism? That is emotional immaturity, I’d say.

Millytante · 11/11/2025 14:41

5128gap · 11/11/2025 14:30

'Ourselves as women', is it? Well perhaps you could start us off with an example, where you as a woman felt you didn't reflect and scrutinise yourself and hold yourself as accountable as a man would have done in the same position? Then we can see if it resonates at all with how we behave 'ourselves as women'.

Good t shirt slogan, at least!

Rexinasaurus · 11/11/2025 14:42

Let’s discuss that when the world isn’t a Patriarchal dumpster and women have equal rights. Ok? See you there.

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:45

Millytante · 11/11/2025 14:39

What in the name of Blessed Germaine has any of that directly to do with feminism? That is emotional immaturity, I’d say.

Emotional immaturity definitely plays a role. I just think some cultural patterns overlap with that and feminism isn’t immune to them. When a movement focuses (rightly) on external justice, it can sometimes make self-reflection feel secondary. It’s more an observation about human nature showing up within feminism, not an attack on it.

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 14:46

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:45

Emotional immaturity definitely plays a role. I just think some cultural patterns overlap with that and feminism isn’t immune to them. When a movement focuses (rightly) on external justice, it can sometimes make self-reflection feel secondary. It’s more an observation about human nature showing up within feminism, not an attack on it.

It is neither an attack nor an observation. It is just meaningless waffle.

JadziaD · 11/11/2025 14:46

Total bollocks. Women expect men to do emotional labour but don't realise its a two way street? hahahahahahahahaha. In the real world, women BEG men to take on some of the emotional labour while we spend our lives taking it on for ourselves, our children, our partners, the world.

But i think what you really mean is that if a woman is in a bad relationship she has to take responsibility and it's at least HALF her fault that she picked a wrong 'un. That's what you really mean isn't it? Of if a woman cries in public, that's her "weaponising womenhood".

I don't actually believe you are a woman. I don't know why you keep coming on to start goady threads about how shit women are.

5128gap · 11/11/2025 14:48

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:28

Things like expecting emotional labour from men without recognising it as a two-way street or assuming our feelings automatically take priority in an argument because we’re the more ‘sensitive’ gender. It’s not about blaming women, just noticing where social sympathy sometimes turns into double standards.

Edited

Sensitive 'gender'? Are we talking here about a group of people who feel they align with a stereotype of femininity that includes traits such as sensitivity? Or are we talking about people of the female sex? Because if you're going to use 'we' people need to understand if that includes them or not. I am of the female sex, but I'm certainly not of 'the Sensitive gender' because frankly, it's not a thing.

QueenClinomania · 11/11/2025 14:48

Genuinely hilarious.

TTCbabynumber22025 · 11/11/2025 14:50

I can’t believe you think men are more likely to self reflect or take accountability 😂that’s hilarious

ThreeTescoBags · 11/11/2025 14:50

So when a person finds themselves in a situation where communication is proving difficult, you believe that a man's reaction is to look within themselves to find a reason why they are at fault and their behaviour needs modifying, whereas a woman will just dismiss the other person as a cunt and go about their day?

Yep, that definitely tallies with my lived experience.

TwoTuesday · 11/11/2025 14:52

HappyGilmorex · 11/11/2025 14:38

As a handy tip for others, that specific phraseology of 'its about X, not Y' (in this case, 'it's about balance, not blame') is an absolute giveaway for AI generated content, particularly when, as here, it's found in vague, word-salad type comments.

Yes, this! AI slop at its finest..and reported.

Naunet · 11/11/2025 14:53

What has any of this got to do with feminism? Did you think women should only have rights and equality if they're perfect Jay? Do you apply that to men too?

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:54

5128gap · 11/11/2025 14:48

Sensitive 'gender'? Are we talking here about a group of people who feel they align with a stereotype of femininity that includes traits such as sensitivity? Or are we talking about people of the female sex? Because if you're going to use 'we' people need to understand if that includes them or not. I am of the female sex, but I'm certainly not of 'the Sensitive gender' because frankly, it's not a thing.

I was using ‘gender’ loosely to mean women, not in the identity-politics sense. I just meant that women are often socially encouraged to be the more emotionally expressive or empathetic sex, and that expectation sometimes shapes how situations are interpreted.

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Kreepture · 11/11/2025 14:56

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:45

Emotional immaturity definitely plays a role. I just think some cultural patterns overlap with that and feminism isn’t immune to them. When a movement focuses (rightly) on external justice, it can sometimes make self-reflection feel secondary. It’s more an observation about human nature showing up within feminism, not an attack on it.

Is english your first language?

I'm not asking to be horrible, i'm fairly advanced in my reading comprehension, but i'm struggling to extrapolate anything from the word salad you're putting out here.

You need to try and stop being so wordy, and be more to the point, and concise.

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:56

ThreeTescoBags · 11/11/2025 14:50

So when a person finds themselves in a situation where communication is proving difficult, you believe that a man's reaction is to look within themselves to find a reason why they are at fault and their behaviour needs modifying, whereas a woman will just dismiss the other person as a cunt and go about their day?

Yep, that definitely tallies with my lived experience.

I’m not saying men are automatically more self-aware. Just that everyone has blind spots and women aren’t exempt from that. I’ve seen plenty from both sexes struggle to reflect when emotions are high, it’s more about human nature than gender one-upmanship.

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JHound · 11/11/2025 14:56

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 13:59

Things like expecting emotional leniency because we’re women or using vulnerability to deflect responsibility. For example, when women make poor choices in relationships or workplaces but frame it as something ‘done to’ them rather than something they also contributed to. It’s not about blaming, just about holding both genders to the same standard of self-awareness.

Edited

This has nothing to do with feminism.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 14:56

OP, do you think that your tendency to avoid self reflection might perhaps be a symptom of your poor critical thinking skills rather than anything to do with your adopted "gender"?

JadziaD · 11/11/2025 14:57

TwoTuesday · 11/11/2025 14:52

Yes, this! AI slop at its finest..and reported.

AI would be better and at least make sense. I think it's EDITED Ai! Grin

hardstareglare · 11/11/2025 14:57

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:28

Things like expecting emotional labour from men without recognising it as a two-way street or assuming our feelings automatically take priority in an argument because we’re the more ‘sensitive’ gender. It’s not about blaming women, just noticing where social sympathy sometimes turns into double standards.

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Can you give an example where women’s feelings take priority in an argument?

My ex used to take emotional priority in an argument or he’d punch me. I’ve not experienced what you are saying

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 14:57

FairGameJay · 11/11/2025 14:56

I’m not saying men are automatically more self-aware. Just that everyone has blind spots and women aren’t exempt from that. I’ve seen plenty from both sexes struggle to reflect when emotions are high, it’s more about human nature than gender one-upmanship.

So what does any of that have to do with feminism?

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