To think feminism’s biggest blind spot is female entitlement?

[FairGameJay]

We talk about male privilege all the time but we rarely look at the ways women leverage social sympathy. AIBU to think equality means accountability too, even when it’s uncomfortable?

I agree. ChatGPT is usually coherent to a degree.

Of course not, equality isn’t about being perfect. It’s about being honest. I just think any movement, feminism included, stays stronger when it’s willing to look inward as well as outward. Holding ourselves to the same standard of accountability we ask of others doesn’t undermine equality, it reinforces it.

I think it's that that classic situation, that somehow only ever seems to apply to women or feminism, where if you're not PERFECT, you're not allowed to claim to be a feminist. So if you, just once, let a man carry your bag for you "NOT A FEMINIST. BAD FEMINIST. HYPOCRITE". It's the old, "oh, women can't haev it both ways - men looking after them AND equality int he work place. They just want it all and you can never please them or get anything right."

it's coming across like someone is trying to sound intelligent by using a lot of big words in long sentences and not making ANY sense whatsoever.

That’s eleven posts you e written now and I still haven’t a bloody clue what you’re trying to say

I think the opposite. Women are socially programmed to constantly self-reflect and take on responsibility for things that aren’t their doing. We find ourselves constantly apologising for simply taking up space. I know this because I have to check myself on it regularly! 😂

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My experience is also that men are more emotional; it's just that the emotions are different. For example, as you say, they're more angry or they get more manipulative in an "if you leave me, I'll kill myself kind of way. So, they're not less emotional than women at all, really, and actually, they're version of emotional is much more likely to be harmful than women's.

Jay, mate. Have you thought about switching it off and then switching it on again?

So what do we blame for men having flaws? Menism?

I think you need to put the ChatGPT down, and go read up on Feminism, Equality, Accountability and Emotional Intelligence.. with some reading comprehension and critical thinking skills thrown in for good measure.

I don't think you actually have any real understanding what any of those things are on an academic or real life level.. you're just having a nasty case of verbal diarrhoea along an incoherent half-thought that you ought to have kept to yourself,

That’s an awful and completely different situation to what I meant. I was talking more about everyday disagreements or social interactions, not abusive dynamics. In your case, what you describe isn’t about emotions at all, it’s about control and violence, which is never okay.

Yes, that accords more with what I’ve observed than the OPs assertion.

Of course, it's about emotions. Anger is an emotion. Control is a tool many people use to manage their emotions.

I really don’t get what you’re trying to say?

Feminism doesn’t work because women don’t criticise themselves, is that it?

Which isn't even true, of course. Women criticise women all the time. But when 98 per cent of all sex crimes and the majority of violent crimes are carried out by men, it's only natural that we feminists spend more time talking about the problems caused by men!

No woman I've ever come across in my life has believed that females are the more sensitive of the sexes.

Plenty of men seem to believe this, though.

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I can translate for you. What the OP is trying to say is that feminism is shit and women are nasty.

He's just struggling to find his words at the moment.

I think we're all waiting for an actual example. Something along the lines of: John and Mary are at the office. John says/does X. Mary says/does Y. The response is Z.

Why do you think this is anything to do with feminism or all women though? This is iljust a pattern of behaviour that any man or woman could fall into. I don't think you understand Feminism at all.

Well yes. Its human nature to think in a situation of conflict we are right and the other person is not. Otherwise it wouldn't be a conflict, would it? And yes, self reflection is a good trait.
However I actually asked you for an example where you 'as a woman' failed to do this when a man would have done so. Because the comparator is all important. Without it you're simply describing an aspect of human behaviour, not one specific to women.

So not when a guy argues but is abusive then. OK

What about when men talk over me or completely ignore other women when they are debating or arguing about something? I’ve seen this loads.

Is that what you mean?

Well aren't you clever?!

Even though I mostly intrinsically disagree with OP I do have one example. But while it's an example he might use, I still don't think it's a good one becuase of reasons I will explain:

DS works as an exercise instructor. Most of his clients are women. Sometimes, they say things that, if a man said them, would be hugely inappropriate, sexual harassment etc. I think that's the kind of thing OP might want to use as an example of his "female entitlement".

But even if he did, I wouldn't agree for two reasons: 1. I certainly think those sorts of comments are very inappropriate and if I heard a woman say them, I would call her out 2. A woman's inappropraite comment doesn't usually come with a corresponding ability to physically overpower a man. Having said that, one of the reasons I think these comments are inappropriate are because DH might struggle to complain about them as these women are clients and the gym would most likely be inclined to want to keep them sweet. But then, that goes back to my point number 1 above.

Many years ago, I worked in a big City firm. One of the senior people was a very attractive man. I came back from a meeting one day to discover the (all female) team had printed out a picture of him and stuck it on the wall to enjoy. I immediately took the picture down. Yes, they were not in a position of power over him, but it was deeply inappropriate and I reminded them that if one of the male team had done that with an attractive female boss, it would have been considered very bad.

So while it does happen, I don't think that makes it okay and most of us would agre.

Thank you. I doubt that’s all he’s struggling with

I am actually, does that help you?