To think feminism’s biggest blind spot is female entitlement?

[FairGameJay]

We talk about male privilege all the time but we rarely look at the ways women leverage social sympathy. AIBU to think equality means accountability too, even when it’s uncomfortable?

Of course it’s not true. I was honestly trying to understand what the OP was trying to say.

If that's true, why do married men live longer than single men, yet single women live longer than married women?

So how many posters on the thread so far have mentioned the patriarchy, apart from you?

Agreed. It's also typical misogynistic and right wing tactics, make words into insults, so that women fear to use them.

Or turning perfectly normal requests/behaviours into words with negative connotations. My favourite being "nagging". Woman asks a man to do the bare minimum in the house, but doesn't want to ask for fear of looking like she's "nagging" him.

I don't fear using any word, can you stop talking for "women" to fit your little narrative? Which was exactly my point earlier.

I love how disagreeing with you or having a different view is just not "misogynistic" but also "right wing" now. 😂

But apart from that it's MEN trying to shut us up and telling us what to do and think, isn't it (maybe you are a man, how would I know after all, it's an anonymous forum)

Try demonstrating it then. Big generalisations about any group, doesn't scream intelligence.

Exactly!

What on earth have you been reading and who by? Speaking as an older white feminist, this sort of argument makes me cross. Women have struggled throughout my life to be taken seriously in financial matters and in employment. Many of their ideas have been stolen by men and the contribution of the woman quietly forgotten.
Just have a proper look at what women did in both world wars including spying and espionage.
No, currently women don't fight on the battlefield but we have a massive contribution to make. Good grief. Oh and sex not gender.

oh the irony...

if that's what you think feminism is you need to think again.

Stupid question in the OP, in that case. Since you don't apparently know what feminism is.

No actual argument then, as to why you paint all feminists with the same brush? No explanation as to why you apparently don't agree with women wanting equality?
No; thought as much.

"feminist" is one of these words, when you use it to describe yourself, you are anything but. Like "classy" 😂

Real feminists don't lecture and try to shut up other women.

Perhaps you'd like to share your definition of a "real feminist"?

None of this has anything to do with feminism.

A woman who is one-sided in expecting emotional labour from her partner she is not willing to give has nothing to do with feminism.

I think you are making the mistake as defining feminism as “anything to do with a woman”.

let's get back to "first principles"

Define feminism.

who is trying to shut anyone up?
Quite the contrary. the OP has made a very stupid "observation" and rather than telling OP to shut up we're well into 5 pages of people asking the OP to clarify.

And then there's you, of course.

I'm a 2nd wave feminist. You're welcome.

You should read PPs post again, calmly, because you appear to be getting upset by what you expected to see rather than what was actually said. You made the same error when you imagined you'd seen the word patriarchy, when it was in your post only.
PP hasn't called anyone right wing or misogynist 'for disagreeing'. Its the tactics people use to disagree that she is likening to those used by extremists and misogynists.
Specifically, saying people have said things they haven't, addressing them in insulting tones and sneering at the words they use, rather than simply offering an alternative view.

That is because, more often than not, it is the female partner who is the victim of abuse by their male partner.

They are not being 'framed' as victims. They ARE victims.

hth

The movement never focussed solely on ‘external justice’ (did you never read, in The Female Eunuch, the famous detail about one’s menstrual blood, for example?!)
Seriously though, I think your original, main post, and your subsequent remarks exemplify the frequently encountered narrative wherein everything women have ever expressed, enacted, or been famous for, and which has ever been frowned upon historically, has been blamed at some point on feminism!
This includes the odious behaviour of Goneril and Regan, the bold carryings-on of a couple of Plantagenet queens, the moral frailties of Mary, Queen of Scots, for example.
(Conversely, stirrings of proto-feminism have just as often (and from similar corners) been ascribed to quite other influences. Aphra Behn’s work, Fanny Burney’s courage and endurance, Mary Wollstonecraft’s literally feminist thesis, even the boldness of c20th aviatrices; we often find reports of such women which all but crop out the fact of their independent motivation.)

All of which waffling is to say that even now, more often than not feminism is either blamed for all that is negative, or denied recognition as anything to do with a positive.
The plain fact is that feminism is a term that is still misapprehended by far too many people.

I hope this isn't your essay as it's waffly shit.

Men get called out directly for their behaviour do they???? 🤣

Thousands of deadbeat fathers avoiding taking responsibility for their children and bending over backwards not to pay support yet there is no stigma at all. People look the other way

96% of defendants at trial for DV are male but if you mention it the whataboutery becomes deafening.

Ive just finished watching an excellent series called All her fault . Women can't win, we are judged no matter what whilst the bar is set so low for men you can't even see it.

A top tier man is a mediocre woman.

because we’re women

Well, some of us are.

I think you need to read Agent Zo and other biographies of female soldiers to fully understand what I mean about how women should not be exempted from conscription in the event of war. In this I am speaking about the countries that continue this inequality, as I know that some progressive countries do equally conscript young men and women.

No, currently women don't fight on the battlefield
You are wrong, women have fought as silent, unseen combatants on every battlefield in every war but too often our contribution was rewarded with a pat on the head, whereas our male counterparts would be given a rank, pay, medals of valour and a military pension.

The idea that we are exempt, means that when we do, it goes unrecognised in the official sense. We are not taken seriously as military leaders at all. I think this is an area we still struggle in.

I think I get what you mean, that equality includes being equally accountable for whatever happens good or bad.

The problem with this is that you must first have equal agency in order to then have equal accountability.

As a class, men have the lions share of agency (social power) and therefore they actually are (and should be) more accountable for society’s ills than are women. Feminism is about women as a class.

Now, between individuals the power dynamics can indeed result in equal agency between a man and a woman or even a reversal- where a woman has more agency than a man. But any of these individual level occurrences are not feminist issues.