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to say the BBC might be imperfect but

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user427654 · 11/11/2025 12:17

A lot of people here don't appreciate the value in what they have, and it would be beyond foolish to let this institution be decimated.

When I say here, I don't mean on MN, but in general in the UK

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MrsZiggywinkle · 11/11/2025 14:01

Totally agree, there is much more to the BBC than just BBC 1 and 2.

Nothing would replace it. There’s nothing that compares at the moment.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 14:04

MrsZiggywinkle · 11/11/2025 14:01

Totally agree, there is much more to the BBC than just BBC 1 and 2.

Nothing would replace it. There’s nothing that compares at the moment.

That’s good then surely for people to pay as a subscription, ie by choice.

Jugjug · 11/11/2025 14:04

what values? The trump news shows how dishonest they are, they have been doing similar things to that for years misleading people. The trump thing is just one drop in an ocean.
Im 25 and have never had a tv licence and I’ve had my own place since 18, they cannot come in your home without a warrant, the people they take to court are obviously older/vulnerable people who don’t realise that and think they have to let them.

Interestingly I once saw someone on this site say bbc is upper class and itv is lower class and multiple people were agreeing ? Which is something I’d never heard before is that what you mean?

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:06

InterestedDad37 · 11/11/2025 13:57

Like the NHS, it has massive flaws, but we'd be idiots to let it die.
The right think it's biased to the left, the left think it's biased to the right, so it's probably spot on.
It actually is envied by many abroad, and what it provides is a treasure we are in danger of throwing away.

This view gets aired a lot but just because both sides complain it doesn’t mean the truth lies directly in the middle, aka the golden mean fallacy.

There is substantial documented evidence against the BBC now and it merits careful evaluation.

OhDear111 · 11/11/2025 14:06

We should continue to have a national broadcaster. We cannot always opt out of what we don’t like. I still seem to pay taxes for the nhs. Can I access it when I need to? No. Can I opt out, no. Ditto paying for schools I didn’t use and street lighting I don’t have. I contribute for others. It’s what we tend to accept is the best way forward. Not stomping around saying the bbc should go because of a few errors in checking programmes. Other broadcasters probably do the same but the knives aren’t out for them. Although itv is being sold. To Sky. There won’t be much choice eventually.

littleburn · 11/11/2025 14:10

I value the radio output. Radio 4 Today show is my go to for news and Radio 6 for music. The news app is absolutely terrible and seriously undermines the BBC’s reputation (or what remains of it) for serious journalism. Frequent typos and Tik-Tok level dumbed down content on the front page. IPlayer should be the jewel in its crown given the decades of high quality programmes they have, but theres’s nothing bloody on it!

WestwardHo1 · 11/11/2025 14:12

I am absolutely furious with them. They were sailing close to the wind for a while, but they just might have signed their own death warrant. It seemed pretty evident already that Trump was intent on causing trouble - it didn't need the BBC to hammer the point home with a made up news segment.

And the disparity in the treatment of the BBC Arabic reporters (nothing has happened to them) and Martine Croxall for her incredibly slight eye roll is breath-taking.

Yes we will miss it when it's gone. You only have to look at the state of news reporting in the USA to see that.

WestwardHo1 · 11/11/2025 14:14

They are under attack from every side. Every time I look at my phone there's something about viewers "slamming" the BBC because of something they didn't like on Strictly or similar. And the Murdoch press clearly wants them gone.

They should have made every effort not to add fuel to the fire.

InterestedDad37 · 11/11/2025 14:16

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:06

This view gets aired a lot but just because both sides complain it doesn’t mean the truth lies directly in the middle, aka the golden mean fallacy.

There is substantial documented evidence against the BBC now and it merits careful evaluation.

I don't wanna kill it, I wanna save it. So our agendas are no doubt wildly incompatible.

YarraValley · 11/11/2025 14:16

The way that the licensing is managed is an absolute disgrace.

My mum bought a house days before lockdown and as a result never moved. She must have had two hundred threatening letters to the empty house.

They knew she was watching tv there, they had seen a tv there, they could detect that there was someone watching tv, they were coming on this date, the bailiffs were coming on that date etc.

And yes, she did fill the form in on the website to say she wasn’t watching tv at the property. She was watching TV two hundred miles away.

Nesbi · 11/11/2025 14:18

The BBC consistently comes out on top as the most trusted news brand in the world - it holds that position in the UK, and it holds that position in the US as well. This is in a world where media, and news is increasingly polarised.

We can go to any number of news services that unapologetically come from a particular political bias - Fox News, Breitbart, GB News - there is no pretence that these are coming from anything other than a slanted angle. The same applies if I wanted to get my news from the Daily Mail, or the Telegraph.

In the US, news is so polarised that most of the population will only ever consume the sources that represent their own political views. This helps create bubbles who no longer have any shared reality or understanding of one another, they can each be fed completely contradictory world views and be convinced that their opposition isn’t just wrong, but morally repugnant.

This is a disaster for democracy and for the proper running of a country where everyone should feel represented, and where the ability to forge consensus across the political spectrum ought to be a given.

Fortunately we’re not quite there yet in the UK. People from all political persuasions still use the BBC, a fact which is pretty remarkable given the febrile times we are living in.

The standard the BBC is held to though is incredibly high - far higher than it is for the majority of its peers. The fact that it still manages to hit that standard as often as it does is something to be proud of in the UK. But as this situation shows, the BBC is surrounded by people who are constantly on the lookout for a reason, any reason, to attack it.

In this case the focus was on a 12 second excerpt from an hour long documentary produced for the BBC by an independent production company. No one seems to have suggested that the documentary was anything other than fair and balanced (as long as you watched the whole thing, and not just those 12 seconds). Even the Telegraph’s own reporting of the riots at the Capitol were quite clear that Trump’s speech played a role in inciting that violence - it is revisionist for them to now take the opposing side.

The editing of the clip showed bad judgment, and should have been picked up. It was also entirely unnecessary as the speech as a whole spoke for itself. My guess is someone junior on the production team did it, and no one above them spotted it. For that fuck up, the Telegraph now seems willing to try to feed the BBC to Trump - a man who has told more deliberate lies than most of us on here could manage over several lifetimes.

The BBC has many faults, and its handling of this has been pretty atrocious - but watching the Telegraph, Boris Johnson, Farage and Trump gleefully lining up to knife it is a pretty appalling spectacle, and not one that does any good for UK democracy.

Jugjug · 11/11/2025 14:19

YarraValley · 11/11/2025 14:16

The way that the licensing is managed is an absolute disgrace.

My mum bought a house days before lockdown and as a result never moved. She must have had two hundred threatening letters to the empty house.

They knew she was watching tv there, they had seen a tv there, they could detect that there was someone watching tv, they were coming on this date, the bailiffs were coming on that date etc.

And yes, she did fill the form in on the website to say she wasn’t watching tv at the property. She was watching TV two hundred miles away.

I’ve had ALL those letters, I’ve never done the form to say whether or not I watch tv. And they’ve never once came to my home (unless they did when I wasn’t in) I’m 25 now and have had my own place since 18 so that’s 7 years.
They can’t enter your property without a warrant, they are engaging in the blackmail of older/vulnerable people who don’t know that

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:21

InterestedDad37 · 11/11/2025 14:16

I don't wanna kill it, I wanna save it. So our agendas are no doubt wildly incompatible.

I’d like it to survive this too, but with higher editorial standards and real accountability. No more marking their own homework. I’ve been trying to think of how complaints could be independently adjudicated on and by whom but so far only have some pretty implausible ideas such as citizen juries to decide upon the facts.

PandoraSocks · 11/11/2025 14:26

Livelovebehappy · 11/11/2025 13:11

They do some good but that doesn't excuse the deliberate editing changes to the Panarama Trump programe. Badly thought out and arrogant that they thought they could get away with it. I hope Trump's threatened lawsuit is successful. Not only do they break impartiality but they enable bad and inappropriate behaviour from their employees. Yet still Davey is spouting how great they are with no acknowledgment of huge errors made.

I hope Trump's threatened lawsuit is successful?

Why? Are you happy for British taxpayer's money to be handed over to Trump? I'm not.

Raquelos · 11/11/2025 14:35

Misla · 11/11/2025 13:48

How are you working out that "1%"?
How do you know what BBC Arabic output total for the date rage was?

Fair question and absent published numbers, it is based on some assumptions.

BBC Arabic operates a 24-hour service and web archives show c.40–60 posted items from them a day.

So I have assumed 40 items x 365 days = 14600 items a year as the basis for my maths.

200 corrections over 2 years gives you 100 corrections a year.

That gets me a % of 0.7% which I rounded up to 1.

It's a bit back of a fag packet tbf, but it's the best I could be bothered to do. I would be delighted to see better figures based on more concrete numbers rather than my assumptions if you come across any.

battenburgbaby · 11/11/2025 14:45

Just focusing on news content, what are the real alternatives now?

Social media is getting worse and worse, amplifying extreme voices and misinformation and is being deliberately manipulated by malign actors.

Many traditional MSM news providers are on life-support with clear deterioration in quantity and quality of content if they are hanging on at all.

Quality local news is practically non-existent.

News content is getting increasingly polarised and riddled with misinformation.

The need for a public service news broadcaster held to the highest standards has never been greater.

Is it difficult to create quality, impartial, balanced news content? Undoubtedly extremely difficult. Does the BBC always get it right? Clearly not. But we should protect and strengthen what we have because in a few short years quality news and information provision has been half destroyed and in a few short years more we could lose much of what we have left.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 11/11/2025 14:49

If the BBC still stood for what it was supposed to, and what it used to, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But it doesn't, so it's no longer a huge loss. It has a choice. It either shapes up or ships out.

People are tired of blindly, slavishly following the rules, trusting in the process, doing as we are told, only to be taken for granted and treated with contempt and disrespect. That applies across many areas of public service that we pay for at the moment, the BBC being just one of them.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 11/11/2025 14:50

WalkDontWalk · 11/11/2025 13:23

How far right do you have to be to think that the BBC is left wing?

I think left and right lables increasingly miss the mark in poltics let alone here.

The BBC is very upper middle class London centric/metropolitan elite world view that often seems to think it's the only right one and everyone else needs to be educated into the right world view.

If your employing people from a very limited social economic class with a narrow world view that then becomes inistutional policy stifling few with other views it does have an impact on out put and how the more diverse audince starts to view it.

The upshot here is that across several issues they've misrepresented information and outright lied in their news coverage - that's been independly pointed out to them and they've so far pretty much failed to take it onboard.

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:51

battenburgbaby · 11/11/2025 14:45

Just focusing on news content, what are the real alternatives now?

Social media is getting worse and worse, amplifying extreme voices and misinformation and is being deliberately manipulated by malign actors.

Many traditional MSM news providers are on life-support with clear deterioration in quantity and quality of content if they are hanging on at all.

Quality local news is practically non-existent.

News content is getting increasingly polarised and riddled with misinformation.

The need for a public service news broadcaster held to the highest standards has never been greater.

Is it difficult to create quality, impartial, balanced news content? Undoubtedly extremely difficult. Does the BBC always get it right? Clearly not. But we should protect and strengthen what we have because in a few short years quality news and information provision has been half destroyed and in a few short years more we could lose much of what we have left.

Reuters is about £1 a week in the UK, they are not immune from accusations of bias over their coverage of the Middle East especially but they are my first port of call.

IDontLikeMondays88 · 11/11/2025 14:51

The quality of the children’s output eg cbeebies and cbbc are vastly superior to what else is on offer in my view and no advertising of tat.

long live the beeb

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 11/11/2025 14:54

YarraValley · 11/11/2025 14:16

The way that the licensing is managed is an absolute disgrace.

My mum bought a house days before lockdown and as a result never moved. She must have had two hundred threatening letters to the empty house.

They knew she was watching tv there, they had seen a tv there, they could detect that there was someone watching tv, they were coming on this date, the bailiffs were coming on that date etc.

And yes, she did fill the form in on the website to say she wasn’t watching tv at the property. She was watching TV two hundred miles away.

This is how they get to the low hanging fruit. By being threatening and making you think they know more than they do, without ever having to prove it, they can just say that shit.

Meanwhile millions of sketchy, transient people never have a licence at all but don't get chased because it's too expensive to do so. When your whole business model relies on threatening and hounding the same relatively small cohort of people, you know you've lost the bigger battle.

Actually, it's not dissimilar with car insurance.

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:54

NHK World are an underrated and overlooked news service too.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 11/11/2025 14:56

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 14:51

Reuters is about £1 a week in the UK, they are not immune from accusations of bias over their coverage of the Middle East especially but they are my first port of call.

I tend to look a a much wider range of new sites than in past but reuters would be one of first ports of call.

I quite like https://tldrnews.co.uk/ on you tube (as well as more tradional sites luke The Times radio) though they and many others were advertising for a while https://ground.news/ - which is suppose to help with media bias from left and right stories.

Ground News

Top Stories from around you and around the world. Compare how different news publishers frame the same news

https://ground.news

EmpressOfTheThread · 11/11/2025 14:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/11/2025 13:59

This. If you’re pissing everyone off, you’re probably getting it about right.

Well it turns out they weren't "right" about Gaza, or that Trump speech.

EmpressOfTheThread · 11/11/2025 15:01

I can't believe that documentary about Gaza, why would they erode confidence in impartiality like that?
Also, I'm angry about the Trump speech because I'm certain that it's possible to be clear about that man without falsifying speeches.