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A lot of people here don't appreciate the value in what they have, and it would be beyond foolish to let this institution be decimated.

When I say here, I don't mean on MN, but in general in the UK

I like the BBC but I think its claim to the licence fee is becoming indefensible.

There’s some argument to keep a reduced licence fee to pay for the worthy-but-unpopular bits, such as news. That’s the part of the argument that the BBC seems intent on shredding with its inability to recognise and address its institutional biases.

They’ve also made some big strategic fumbles: failure to make iPlayer a subscription service outside the UK (blocking people who would willingly pay for the BBC when they could have been using their massive head-start, brand and archive to build up a Netflix-like business and revenue stream), and being absent from the main ways that people access media now. There isn’t even a BBC iPlayer app for Google Play, there’s no BBC button on most remote controls, there’s a very limited amount of BBC content on YouTube, etc.

Their audience is mainly older, who are also the group least likely to find their lives represented.

@Staringintothevoid616 Are you for real? What a load of hyperbole. What you have written is unbelievably poorly informed but it’s what the rest of us are up against. People like this just want Fox tv. They don’t want all the brilliant bbc output. They just want to vent their anger by building up and believing untruthful biased sh-t.

Yes every time these threads come up there's always posters saying we ( as a collective) shall miss it when it's gone ,they csnt explain however why peoole rho never watch the bbc and have no interest in radio. Will miss it.

How far left do you have to be to think that the BBC is not left wing?

The BBC isn’t even properly left wing, or it would have invited someone from eg the Morning Star (peace & socialism ✌️) to argue the case against the hegemony of gender ideology and to support the importance of the concept of the male and female classes in class analysis.

But the BBC doesn’t want class analysis or it would give the game away that it’s an elite playground now, and no friend to women.

It actually isn't a shit show at all, for comparison:

New York Times 2023 c.3 000 digital corrections
Guardian 2023 c.1 200 corrections

Within the news industry
0.5–2 % correction rate of total output is viewed as standard for mainstream newsrooms.
Higher than 2 % signals deeper workflow issues (e.g., under-resourced fact-checking).
Less than 0.5 % indicates a likely under-reporting of mistakes.

On that scale, BBC Arabic’s c.1 % sits in the middle of the normal range

I'm not saying it's okay, particularly given how contentious the area it covers can be, but actually, the level of corrections is broadly in line with comparable news outlets.

Sample of one here, but I’m not-very-right-wing and I consider the BBC’s biases to be left wing.

More precisely, a metropolitan progressive left liberal bias. It’s not extreme, but it is pervasive and unacknowledged.

When I watch Novara or the Spectator I know what I’m getting and they know what they are serving.

The BBC claims to be unbiased but it puts its thumb on the scale in what it chooses to cover and how.

It’s an ideologically motivated attack which is clear. And so stupid too. All started with a (badly) edited speech.

I still support the Beeb and look forward to this blowing over. (I have also never witnessed this “bias” it’s meant to have.)

I’m afraid your claims are the hyperbolic ones?

I have argued based on actual, documented incidents. You on the other hand have simply lashed out aggressively saying “you’re lying” in various forms.

Did the BBC cover up a series of child sex abuse incidents?

Did the BBC get involved in documentaries narrated by the child of a terrorist to solicit sympathy towards a country run by terrorists

Has the BBC not been taken in by the trans agenda?

Have numerous women reported institutionalised misogyny?

Has the BBC repeatedly been left leaning in its reporting? Look at he recent Empire documentary

I’m sorry if people’s outrage over those things clashes with the making of another diversity over accuracy period drama.

oh and I despise Fox News. But you know what the BBC has become its mirror image.

It doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks. What matters is 'is a Drag Queen affected in any way?'. Now that's NEWS!

How are you working out that "1%"?
How do you know what BBC Arabic output total for the date rage was?

Ha ha! 💃

But in the overall context of broadcasting output by the bbc these are picking out incidents and making them bring down the whole organisation. That is what is wrong with your argument. It’s clearly not every day occurrences that are wrong. It’s perception and hyperbole that your views are the only right views. Why should the rest of us have to surfer the consequences of your anger?

The bbc is not the mirror image of Fox News! That comment in itself means you are way off the mark in any critique you make. It’s close to being laughable.

Love BBC radio, tv news/News ight, Question Time, etc. Children’s programming is excellent too.

But in the overall context of broadcasting output by the bbc these are picking out incidents and making them bring down the whole organisation.

you haven't been paying attention, have you.

Pretty sure that many people advocating for the break up of the BBC would be very happy if we all relied upon GB News.

What do you think it is, right wing?

I’m sorry,, you’re just making statements without evidence. No wonder you love the BBC.

Those incidents, in some cases, covering decades are symbolic of the ethos of the BBC. I don’t want to watch anything made by people who cover up child rape

Fake news! German license fee payer here. Quality of what is on offer is dire compared to the BBC too.

yep, we pay a licence fee over here in Germany. And bloody hell, German TV is dire (no matter how often Annette Dittert is on)

Why should the rest of us have to surfer the consequences of your anger?

We don't have the choice of not funding the BBC, if we want to watch any live TV anywhere, on any channel. That is why our anger should count.

You don't want out opinion to be heard? Let us opt out of paying for the BBC.

Sorry Germans! Time for you to rise up as well 😊

I would miss Radio 3 and Radio 4.

I do not have a TV licence so wouldn't miss any television programmes. I already never see them.

Like the NHS, it has massive flaws, but we'd be idiots to let it die.
The right think it's biased to the left, the left think it's biased to the right, so it's probably spot on.
It actually is envied by many abroad, and what it provides is a treasure we are in danger of throwing away.

This. If you’re pissing everyone off, you’re probably getting it about right.