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Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

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hardstareglare · 07/11/2025 16:24

Aibu to think that the Darlington nurse case in court right now has not had much press and that it is a very important case.

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porridgecake · 08/11/2025 07:58

Letthemeatgateau · 08/11/2025 07:50

Carrying out surgery at another hospital could involve much longer waits and a change of surgeon which the staff member might not want. Fair enough if that's what they wish.

What normally happens where I've worked is that an all female team is provided for female theatre staff, whatever kind of surgery is being undertaken. As it should be.

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Unfortunately the majority of the NHS now insists that any man can be a woman if he says he feels like one. Female patients and staff have suffered dreadfully in the name of DEI for years.
That is not to ignore the fact that abuse and assault by male staff not calling themselves women hasn't been happening forever. Gender ideology has just made it much easier.

Office365Error · 08/11/2025 08:20

Yanbu that it's important. Yabu to say it wasn't covered. Yanbu to say not all newspapers covered equally.
The MN hated Dailymail had few articles a week for months. If not nearly every day. And not buried somewhere under Taylor Swift news.
Including quite a harrowing read about Karen Danson's experience. That was a concerning read. Really

maudelovesharold · 08/11/2025 08:48

Office365Error · 08/11/2025 08:20

Yanbu that it's important. Yabu to say it wasn't covered. Yanbu to say not all newspapers covered equally.
The MN hated Dailymail had few articles a week for months. If not nearly every day. And not buried somewhere under Taylor Swift news.
Including quite a harrowing read about Karen Danson's experience. That was a concerning read. Really

Yes, frustratingly, it’s much more likely that the right-wing press/media will cover stories like this in detail and the left/liberal papers and broadcasters tend not to, because transwomen hurty feelings.

Coatsoff42 · 08/11/2025 08:56

maudelovesharold · 08/11/2025 08:48

Yes, frustratingly, it’s much more likely that the right-wing press/media will cover stories like this in detail and the left/liberal papers and broadcasters tend not to, because transwomen hurty feelings.

Yes, I was a guardian subscriber for years, but I had to cancel it after the coverage of FWS. It was so sad for me, I love Lucy mangans writing!

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 09:08

OllyBJolly · 08/11/2025 09:01

Here's one of the reasons it's "under the radar"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

Do you have an archive version of that article by any chance?
or copy and paste.

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IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 09:12

You are right - certainly not on the BBC website! They must realise women are 51% of the population and would be interested in this story as it means either the law is being upheld in settings where everyone goes in vulnerable.

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 09:13

maudelovesharold · 08/11/2025 08:48

Yes, frustratingly, it’s much more likely that the right-wing press/media will cover stories like this in detail and the left/liberal papers and broadcasters tend not to, because transwomen hurty feelings.

I think that is part of the problem.

Only right wing papers have been reporting on these issues and therefore it supports the idea that it's a bigoted view not to allow trans identifying men into women's changing rooms and sports.

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hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 09:14

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 09:12

You are right - certainly not on the BBC website! They must realise women are 51% of the population and would be interested in this story as it means either the law is being upheld in settings where everyone goes in vulnerable.

If this was any other complaint to HR it would be met very differently.

It would seem women are not allowed bodily autonomy in 2025.

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IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 09:19

28th October BBC - Hospital 'prioritised' rights of transgender staff (Headline changed from ‘Trans row hospital feared bullying label’)
The change of headline says it all on how they want it to be read

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 09:23

BBC - Nurse says trans colleague sparked abuse flashback
ITV - Darlington nurse ‘broke down in tears’ after changing room encounter with trans colleague
And here BBC headline has no context so makes Nurse sound U.

Honestly I despair at how the BBC hasn't recognised the law from the HC.

porridgecake · 08/11/2025 09:27

Gaslighting on a massive scale.

borntobequiet · 08/11/2025 09:34

I’ve stopped payments for my TV licence. The BBC is no longer worth it.

(Even the Radio 4 comedy slot is no longer funny most of the time.)

maltravers · 08/11/2025 09:35

What’s happened at the BBC and the NHS seems to be the same. Defer to LGBT staff and when things which are clearly wrong start happening (to women) defer, pass the buck, minimise, ignore. Because appeasing LGBT demands and sensibilities is always more important (and safer to managers) than fairness to women. The chickens are coming home to roost now I hope.

porridgecake · 08/11/2025 09:37

To be fair to the BBC, the other mainstream channels are just as bad.
GB news have reported on this consistently, but they are pretty dreadful on everything else (IMO), so many people won't watch or believe them, much the same as with the DM.
I have found The Times has been pretty good on this topic.

Quercus5 · 08/11/2025 09:37

The BBC has been covering the story, but hiding it under Local News on its website - as if it’s a story of interest only to the people of Teesside rather than a story of interest to 51% of the UK population. It’s absolutely shameful behaviour by the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cmgm2jl7896t

Logo for BBC News

Darlington - Latest News, Headlines and Entertainment from the BBC

Get the latest news, entertainment, and top stories about Darlington from the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cmgm2jl7896t

porridgecake · 08/11/2025 09:39

At least this thread has got to 90 posts and the scolds haven't arrived yet. I hope that many, many readers are paying attention.

maltravers · 08/11/2025 09:45

See also:
NHS - we have to do this, it’s in our policy.
BBC - we have to do this, it’s in our Editorial Guidelines.

Theyre not the Ten Commandments guys. You set these policies and guidelines that harm women. Change them.

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 08/11/2025 09:45

OllyBJolly · 08/11/2025 09:01

Here's one of the reasons it's "under the radar"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5ac2c6a0bb851134

Thanks @OllyBJolly

                           "Censorship by ommission"

This is what we are paying the BBC licence for. So that its own staff can decide what we hear, rather than reporting what is happening without bias!

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 09:54

Get Andrew off the front pages and report what is going on for women.

How did we ever get to a stage where trans identifying men were allowed to compete in women's sporting categories and no one was allowed to state the obvious.

Women are not small men.
Women are not men with lower testosterone.
Women are not one homogenous group with a set type of womanly feeling
Women are not the sum of a skirt and make up and swishy hair
Woman do not act like teenage girls in 1950's movies

An estimated 11.9 million missing women in China are not missing because they felt they were female when they were conceived.
1 in 4 women being assaulted or raped in their lifetime by men is not because they were feeling female when it happened.
The global estimation of 1 woman being murdered in her own home every 10 mins is not because she is feeling female the day she was murdered.

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WeaselCheeks · 08/11/2025 10:01

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 09:23

BBC - Nurse says trans colleague sparked abuse flashback
ITV - Darlington nurse ‘broke down in tears’ after changing room encounter with trans colleague
And here BBC headline has no context so makes Nurse sound U.

Honestly I despair at how the BBC hasn't recognised the law from the HC.

"Ms Danson also said it was "common knowledge" among theatre staff in the recovery unit that Rose had stopped taking female hormones and was trying to make their partner pregnant."

I think people need to hear the details about these cases, because for a lot of people, when they imagine a transwoman, they think of famous trans actors who've had extensive surgery and hormones, who 'pass'.

They're not imagining a bloke equipped with meat and two veg, in ragged boxer shorts, who's not even on hormones, and is known by colleagues to be using their penis in the traditional way (presumably because he's told them at some point).

The stuff about the one nurse being pressured into having him in her operation is truly horrifying - no-one should be operated on by someone they've put a complaint in about, whatever the reason.

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 10:06

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 08/11/2025 09:45

Thanks @OllyBJolly

                           "Censorship by ommission"

This is what we are paying the BBC licence for. So that its own staff can decide what we hear, rather than reporting what is happening without bias!

Yes thanks @OllyBJolly - I can't read it but I hadn't even heard of this dossier because I assume BBC isn't covering it (what a surprise!).

They have definitely hidden this under Teeside local news as I never see anything and look at their site daily!

Lots about football and the boring details of the Andrew story though 🙄

letsallchant · 08/11/2025 10:10

Lots of this coming out now.

#TeamNurses

SeriouslyAgain · 08/11/2025 10:13

Yanbu
It is obvious that there is a very strong male rights movement in play throughout many or even most of our institutions. The optics of this case are so bad that it wouldn't be good for it to be too out in the open.
You have female nurses being harassed and abused by a male doctor, and that male doctor is then backed to the hilt by the entire behemoth of the NHS. Female nurses, some on Visas from poorer countries making their job security difficult, all of them having to earn a living and in any case earning far less than the doctor and the HR managers who bullied them.
It's absolutely disgusting.

SeriouslyAgain · 08/11/2025 10:26

And however much photos of the male doctor are put into soft focus, the point is that it wouldn't even matter if he looked less masculine than he does. Obviously untampered photos show him to be clearly male.
He is a male, in a position of authority, earning a higher salary, disregarding the boundaries he has been told about, and then having the gall to complain about the women who were affected, one of whom was a survivor of abuse. And of course the nurses at the tribunal are the ones who stood firm despite the risk to their jobs. Many of the dozens who complained were forced to drop their complaints. Appalling workplace bullying.
And to make matters worse, the NHS, which is apparently on its knees, has wasted hundreds of thousands of £ defending the indefensible.