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To think gentle parenting has made some kids unbearable to be around?

619 replies

KindButFirmFox · 05/11/2025 16:58

Boundaries aren’t oppression.
Sometimes “gentle” just looks like “ineffective”.

AIBU to think balance has been lost between empathy and discipline?

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QuickPeachPoet · 05/11/2025 22:44

Horsie · 05/11/2025 20:25

Did you ever see the episode of Doc Martin that had a pair of gentle parenters moving into the village, and their kid was a nightmare? They ignored their kid's bad behaviour, like keying cars, because telling him off turned it into a "child-centric moment." 😂

I remember it hahahahahaha brilliant

Horsie · 05/11/2025 22:44

Barnbrack · 05/11/2025 22:43

That's LITERALLY what gentle parenting is! We offer kids solutions rather than just being annoyed at them for asking. Weren't you the one complaining we can't hit them?

Yes. If I had kids, I would spank them if they were really naughty.

QuickPeachPoet · 05/11/2025 22:45

JudgeJ · 05/11/2025 19:21

And heaven help if the parent of the victim is fed up of the other parent's unwillingness to stop him and tells him to STOP IT! Other parent leaps into action, How very dare you scream at my dear child! As my late husband once told a mummy 'I dare because you are useless and your child is a total brat.'

Your late husband is brilliant and wherever he is now, my dear gran will be buying him a drink! She hated sloppy non parenting too and wasn't afraid to say it.

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/11/2025 22:54

Overpermissiveness doubtless has; but that's not what gentle parenting means.

babyproblems · 05/11/2025 23:10

BustyLaRoux · 05/11/2025 19:39

Unfortunately if we leave the decision to my child he will do what me and his dad did. And he will chose what’s fun rather than what is challenging but achievable and what will be a good pathway into a career. Sadly both of us had zero parental guidance and made shitty decisions. I mean, I felt really autonomous and independent at the time. And now I am a grown up with bills to pay and a plethora of poor choices behind me which have mapped out my life. Little did I know back then that the choices I made really would affect the rest of my life and just how much my earlier choices have held me back. I wish I’d had ANY guidance at all!!! Instead my parents were entirely focused on other things.

So we will infantilise him. Because his choices will be based on infantile decision making processes.

PS. As I said, I work mainly with Key Stage 4 children, so I am well aware he could do A Levels at college. My issue is that his friends that he dicks about with in school will also be going to college. And he wants to go there so he can have fun (ie. Behave like a prat and not do any work). This is precisely the reason he won’t be going there.

@BustyLaRoux i think you’re spot on. I think it’s madness to let someone make big life choices at 16 without big parental input

IrisPallida · 05/11/2025 23:13

Nad1122 · 05/11/2025 22:20

If anyone would like to form an informed opinion on what gentle parenting set out to be, please read The Gentle Parenting Book by Sarah Ockwell Smith. You might be surprised that gentle parenting is all about boundaries. And it might also align with how you are parenting even if you don't think you are a "gentle parent".

Personally I have found it very helpful in raising my 2, very different, children. All I knew about parenting before having my own children was that I didn't want to parent like my parents parented me so I had to find a different foundation to build my parenting on. And it's been really effective in that respect.

I'm not concerned that there is no empirical evidence for it. I've not looked at that evidence although now a little intrigued as to what outcomes they measured. It felt like a good fit for my family, still feels like a good fit and is effective for us. The only evidence I need is 2 overall happy kids (obviously not always grinning ear to ear when said boundaries are applied) who are well liked by others and trying their best.

Yes, I would say that the one thing all Gentle Parents apparently have in common is that they were badly parented themselves so need books/media telling them how to do it as they did not learn parenting from their own parents.

moneyadviceplease · 05/11/2025 23:15

Is counting to 3 out of favour now? “Johnny give the toy you snatched back to billy” no? Right I’m going to count to 3 and you need to hand it back - 1,2 oh there you go billy you’ve got your toy. Thank you for giving the toy back Johnny it’s not yours to take.

or

I’m going to count to 3 and you need to give the toy back myself 1,2,3 you’re not giving the toy. Fine I’m going to take it from you and give it to billy.

  • Johnny gets upset - mum says “sorry Johnny mummy asked you to give the toy back and you didn’t so mummy gave it back as it’s Billy’s toy. When you’ve stopped crying and are ready to play nicely you come and let me know. 9 times out of 10 Johnny is ready to play again

is this now not allowed? Worked for me and all my kids

Loganran · 05/11/2025 23:18

Bluebearbum · 05/11/2025 21:37

Just sounds like good parenting to me. I am the same. I don’t shout and I follow through on warnings. I don’t think of it as gentle parenting though.

That's because it's not. Gentle parenting is very vague and fluid with definitions but includes parents not being allowed to say simply say "No, stop that!" or set non negotiable firm rules as everything has to be a negotiation. The child's feelings are always centred to the detriment of anyone in a hurry, feeling human impatience or wishing to simply parent their child without having to explain endlessly or whisper or (insert nonsense here).

Children are taught that there is no hierarchy. Their feelings are paramount.

This is a good explanation of why it doesn't, and cannot work.

"At bottom, gentle parenting discards the very concepts of truth and authority, in deference to the capricious tyranny of both parents’ and children’s feelings. The approach requires that parents model the kind of facility with emotional language that we want children to have. That’s why it is considered a good example of gentle parenting to say: “When you don’t get ready on time, it hurts my feelings and makes me anxious. Why are you having a hard time?”

There are two problems with a statement like this one, in a situation where a parent is trying to get out the door: First, the problem with not getting ready on time is that it is inconsiderate, inefficient, and disrespectful of others’ time; whether I “feel anxious” about it is wholly immaterial. Second, “why you are having a hard time being on time” is a conversation we by definition do not have time for in this circumstance. By beginning such a conversation in this moment, I am being inconsiderate and disrespectful toward whomever we are not on time for.

In other words: what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong, no matter how either the child or the parent feels about it. This is why any civilization that carves an ordered society out of the harsh barbarism of nature is built on rules, laws, and mores that incentivize and reward what is right while stigmatizing and penalizing what is wrong. "

lawliberty dot org/the-case-against-gentle-parenting/

Gentle parenting is fundamentally flawed and cannot work in the vast majority of cases. It is simply ineffective parenting.

The correct model is still authoratitive (not authoritarian or permissive) parenting, which the gentle parenting cult members try to latch on to and claim for themselves.

However authoratitive parenting absolutely DOES expect parents to (at times) exercise their authority and duty as an adult and lay down rules which the child must obey and must obey instantly - discussion is for later once the behaviour has been controlled/insisted upon.

Inefective gentle parents believe that all behaviour stems from how connected the child is with their caregivers. 🙄

Authoratitive parenting sometimes requires punishment, or discipline if you prefer that word. Ineffective "gentle" parents do not condone punishment, ever. They rely instead on consequences. However, sometimes the consequence of disobeying a parent must be punishment/ discipline and must be immediate and it is perfectly ok to teach children that punishent and discipline exists in the real world.

Authoratitive parenting also accepts that the world is filled with other people who you will be expected to treat with respect, at least initially, and whose feelings matter just as much as the child's desire not to share, get ready on time or whatever other behaviour they are exhibiting that is causing distress to others etc.

Gentle parenting centres the child's feelings, expecting parents to be angels with with the time to endlessly put their child's wants and feelings first and with the endless patience to explain everything over and over and over and over. It also wrongly expects children to have a much more adult understanding of the world than they do.

But worse, it expects everyone else to tolerate this too.

It's actually very cruel to raise kids like this. They get into a situation where mummy and daddy are not there to protect them, they have always been allowed to do things at their own pace or not do them at all, and then they meet real life.

Gentle parenting relies on what people wish children were like, and what they wish human nature could be. And so - for the most part - it doesn't work.

Pizzajigsaw · 05/11/2025 23:20

Boeufsurletoit · 05/11/2025 19:49

I might be wrong here, but I sometimes wonder if gentle parenting is a path people take when they were too firmly parented themselves. This is definitely true in my case. I'm a personality who has been trained to cave into what others want - I had no say in my own likes or dislikes even - who is desperate to make sure my children don't have the same problems, and now stuck between a very strong parent and a very strong child. It's a struggle. Only one of my children is a handful, but I do think it has deeper roots than a few books I read when pregnant. My other gentle parented child is a gentle and considerate soul.

Agree with this a lot
my parents weren’t bad at all, but it’s taken me a lifetime to realise I’m not a bad person for taking a different view or liking different things to my parents. I have grown into a diligent people pleaser, but I’m still somewhat scared of leadership or standing up for myself.

We have a lot of boundaries in our home (particularly around manners and kindness) but I try to encourage the kids to reach their own conclusion about things (even if it’s different to ours) and to embrace and show interest in the things they like rather than being dismissive. I avoid trying to resort to “because I said so” and try to enable them to make good decisions for themselves. I wouldn’t call it gentle parenting though.

augustusglupe · 05/11/2025 23:33

Christ what a palaver. It all came so naturally to me, I don’t get all this pussy footing around kids.
They’re either running around supermarkets screaming, eating, pushing those tiny trollies into my ankles or like last weekend, on roller skates 🙄
Maybe say ‘No you can’t do that’…
Just a thought 🤷🏻‍♀️

hopsalong · 05/11/2025 23:48

It can certainly produce tricky young adults. I had the misfortune to teach (at university) the child of a friend from school who had children young and was a proponent of the gentle approach. Her DS was highly intelligent and superficially quite easy-going and charming, but whenever he found anything difficult or encountered even the slightest bit of bad luck (not getting his first choice of optional
module, missing a classification in the first year by a small margin, etc.) he had a massive meltdown and lashed out at everyone. My last encounter with him was dealing with a series of mendacious, misogynistic and highly aggressive emails about a junior professor who had refused to mark a piece of work that was given in over a month late with no justification. He seemed to think that a) I could and b) I should fire her for this.
From my limited experience, this style of parenting seems perhaps more disastrous for boys than girls? My own children (boys) are much younger, but they’re getting too old to come home from school with wounds inflicted by gently parented peers… It is hard to put a stop to instinctive aggression gently.

TheFairyCaravan · 05/11/2025 23:49

DS2 and DDIL don’t do any of this with DGS (22mths). He’s got clear rules and boundaries, just like they had and he’s absolutely thriving on it. He’s never had screen time so he can sit still in his highchair while he waits for his meal at a restaurant. They do take a few little toys, like some cars or farm animals for him, but his speech is excellent so he can have a conversation while he waits. Last weekend, while they were at a pub for Sunday lunch a lady commented on how well behaved he was.

As soon as he could stand he was told the sofa is for bottoms not feet. If he didn’t listen he was taken off it, so now he never stands on a chair. If he does something wrong, like he has a little hammer and he was going to hit the table with it, he’s told “no, we don’t do that” if he does it again the toy is removed. He understands that consequence. He wouldn’t understand a wishy washy negotiation.

He is a little treasure ( I know I’m biased) who can be taken anywhere.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 06/11/2025 00:07

Our friends were advised by DIL to "bribe" three year old grandkid to do a basic required task. They refused.

atmywitsend1989 · 06/11/2025 00:11

GehenSieweiter · 05/11/2025 18:51

Firm voice, yes, physical abuse (which is what spanking is), absolutely not.

Physical abuse is leaving bruises and beating for no reason. Spanking is open handed and usually done more to shock than actually harm

atmywitsend1989 · 06/11/2025 00:13

hopsalong · 05/11/2025 23:48

It can certainly produce tricky young adults. I had the misfortune to teach (at university) the child of a friend from school who had children young and was a proponent of the gentle approach. Her DS was highly intelligent and superficially quite easy-going and charming, but whenever he found anything difficult or encountered even the slightest bit of bad luck (not getting his first choice of optional
module, missing a classification in the first year by a small margin, etc.) he had a massive meltdown and lashed out at everyone. My last encounter with him was dealing with a series of mendacious, misogynistic and highly aggressive emails about a junior professor who had refused to mark a piece of work that was given in over a month late with no justification. He seemed to think that a) I could and b) I should fire her for this.
From my limited experience, this style of parenting seems perhaps more disastrous for boys than girls? My own children (boys) are much younger, but they’re getting too old to come home from school with wounds inflicted by gently parented peers… It is hard to put a stop to instinctive aggression gently.

I agree I think it's worse for boys. Anecdotally my own young adult son is now misogynistic and throws tantrums as a result of extreme leniency (I never used the words gentle parenting as I've only seen it recently but it matches up with how I was subconsciously trying to raise him, that's my error)

Wontbelongnow · 06/11/2025 00:15

augustusglupe · 05/11/2025 23:33

Christ what a palaver. It all came so naturally to me, I don’t get all this pussy footing around kids.
They’re either running around supermarkets screaming, eating, pushing those tiny trollies into my ankles or like last weekend, on roller skates 🙄
Maybe say ‘No you can’t do that’…
Just a thought 🤷🏻‍♀️

Absolutely 👍 Too much word salad from some parents! Simple instructions with intent is healthy for children l

MinglyMadly · 06/11/2025 00:58

TheIceBear · 05/11/2025 19:01

He sits quietly now so I don’t see the issue sorry.. But blather on if it makes you feel better about yourself.

"Blather on" ...that was unnecessary.

I think they made a very good point actually and suspect I'm not alone.

Your rude response was uncalled for.

AlltheHedgehogsontheWall · 06/11/2025 01:27

atmywitsend1989 · 05/11/2025 19:48

I was spanked as a child and me and all of my siblings turned out fine. Maybe its a culture thing. I'm south asian and ive noticed there's less disrespect towards parents in our culture (DS seems to disrespect and belittle me regularly, but he recieved little discipline as a child beyond a few situations)

You didn't turn out fine. You think that it's acceptable to use violence to discipline vulnerable people.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 06/11/2025 01:34

People over-complicate and under-complicate it so much. You've got people having discussions for hours over a tiny thing and call it gentle parenting, and then people who are totally ineffective and lazy and call it gentle parenting. There's no longer any proper definition of gentle parenting that has any clear meaning.

I would say I gentle parent my daughter. Firm boundaries are clearly communicated and explained - nothing is ever "because I said so"; it might be "do it now and I'll explain afterwards" in a time critical situation, but I'll always explain my actions and instructions. Those boundaries aren't open to negotiation, but I'll listen to her feelings about it.

Maybe she's just an easy child, but her behaviour is amazing and she has brilliant emotional literacy and can communicate her feelings and empathise with others. I thank gentle parenting for that.

Simonjt · 06/11/2025 05:18

atmywitsend1989 · 06/11/2025 00:11

Physical abuse is leaving bruises and beating for no reason. Spanking is open handed and usually done more to shock than actually harm

Spanking is hitting and causes harm, we’ve never hit our children, they’re both well behaved children, rather than being children who spit at people.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 06/11/2025 05:21

Horsie · 05/11/2025 21:25

Wilfully destroying expensive property would be an example, I guess. And I don't consider a smack on the bum when dealing with a really naughty child to be assault. I wouldn't do it hard, just enough to shock them.

I don't have kids, but if I did, I'd have smacked them in extreme circs.

The law actually does allow it under Reasonable Punishment, defined as "the injury is "transient and trifling" and amounts to no more than temporary reddening of the skin."

ETA: I agree it does seem awful to smack a child, but some children are REALLY naughty, won't listen, and need to be brought up short. And I would only do it on the behind, and within the parameters above. And only in extremis. I think that's OK.

Edited

The problem with this is, a child like my DS, he is physically courageous, he wouldn't be remotely frightened of a smack on the bum at 1/2/3/4 it terrified me how hard he would need to have been hit for it to act as an effective deterent. Then they get bigger and used to physical chastisment so it becomes less effective. If you are the mother of sons they get taller and stronger than you. 12/13 yo boys still need parenting.

GehenSieweiter · 06/11/2025 06:02

atmywitsend1989 · 06/11/2025 00:11

Physical abuse is leaving bruises and beating for no reason. Spanking is open handed and usually done more to shock than actually harm

Spanking is physical abuse, and illegal in Scotland.

Katemax82 · 06/11/2025 06:06

I used to think yabu....until my son came into existence

GehenSieweiter · 06/11/2025 06:07

Horsie · 05/11/2025 21:22

If they've done something really naughty that they're old enough to know full well is wrong.

Hitting a child is illegal in Scotland.

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