To wish we had someone like Mamdani in UK politics?

[LostInManhattan]

Someone who’s passionate, young and willing to break the rules in politics, all while caring about his city and the people in it. I wish we had someone like that here.

If you read my post rather than imagined that you read my post then you will see that my definition came from the Oxford Dictionary.

That's a very loose translation from the original. The World Zionist Organisation and Jerusalem programme refer to a 'Jewish nation' as 'Eretz Yisrael' that's a biblical term and not confined to the borders of the current modern state of Israel.

His promises are really inspiring, but I can't see how he can deliver on even a single one. It's lovely to say these things but impossible to implement them.

So Palestinians aren't Arabs? Is that what you're trying to say? Because if so, you're taking a stance that I have yet to hear actual Palestinians take.

As I said, I think Palestinians should have their own state alongside Israel. I don't think Palestinians as a people are indigenous to the area but I think Palestinians now have very deep roots there that shouldn't be ignored.

Your incredibly rude way of talking to people isn't going to get you very far.

Why do you think he won't be able to deliver? Remember that a mayor in the US has far more powers than a mayor in the UK.

Finances- free bus travel, free childcare. How will he fund that?

By raising corporation tax to 11.5% (the same as New Jersey's).

Oh, and a 2% flat rate income tax on everyone earning more than $1M a year.

Once again, Palestinians are indigenous to the land. I don't know why you are repeatedly denying this. And talking about rudeness is quite 'pot, kettle, black' from you.

Clearly you didn't read the article and looked into the research including genetic and DNA research that proved Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant. Palestinians and indigenous Jews share very close DNA. If you deny one is Indigenous, then you are also denying the other.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/zohran-mamdani-victory-speech-transgender

Mamdani's campaign promises for LGBTQ+ New Yorkers included the expansion and protection of gender-affirming care across the city, including a $65 million investment; the commitment to "strengthen and uphold the rights of queer and trans New Yorkers" through sanctuary protections; and the creation of an Office of LGBTQIA+ Affairs with the intent to "expand and centralize the services, programs, and support LGBTQIA+ New Yorkers' needs across housing, employment, and more."

He has said that he thinks Israel should have equal rights for all. Who would argue with that? Given he spent his formative years in post apartheid South Africa it makes sense that he would have an interest and views on apartheid and BDS.

Look at how this thread was quickly twisted to Israel, this is what happened to him on the campaign trail too, of course he has commented on this more because this agenda is more frequently pushed by his detractors. You have commented on nothing other than Israel and Jewish people on this thread. He has spoken far more about affordable housing, rent freezes, universal childcare, free and faster buses, cycling infrastructure, universal childcare, grocery prices, progressive taxation, major green infrastructure projects that he ever has on Israel yet here you are focused on that single issue, why are you(and to be fair lots of others) so fixated on Israel when the foundation of his campaign was all of the things I mentioned and not Israel at all? It's weird tbh when he has ran a fantastic campaign based on New York and looking after New Yorkers of all races and creeds that some people want to focus solely on a foreign country 1000s of miles away.

I wonder if the gender affirming care part has an age limit, and what it allows for under 18.

On the taxes cited below it’ll be a good indicator of how people behave wrt taxes and moving. Looking up rates the US states that have highest incorporating have lower taxes.

And you want to talk about Mamdani speaking on Israel, when did he say 'I’m not comfortable supporting any state that has a hierarchy of citizenship on the basis of religion or anything else.'? He said that at a debate in the primaries where every single one of his opponents said how much they were looking forward to a free jolly to Israel when they become Mayor and Mamdani said I want to focus on New York and New Yorkers. This affronted people so much that he was then asked if he thinks Israel has a right to exist. Questioning if he thinks Israel has a right to exist because he said he wants to focus on NY in a debate for the position of Mayor of New York. It's bizarre, why were they all wittering on about their love for a foreign country in a debate about NY? Why isn't that what was questioned rather than Mamdani wanting to focus on NY?

In British politics people talk about 'MPs for Gaza' and how awful they are and how they should concentrate on the UK, yet Mamdani says he wants to focus on NY and he's the bad guy out of a bunch of fools declaring their love for Israel?!

Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League accused Mamdani of reaching out to the wrong sort of Jews, saying that he only visited an anti-zionist synagogue and said that his organisation was launching a “Mamdani Monitor” to track the mayor-elect’s policies and personnel appointments. Besides researching the Mamdani administration, the initiative will also include a tip line to report antisemitism related to City Hall.

After being challenged by the hosts of Good Morning Joe over Mamdani’s meetings with Jewish groups, the ADL chief acknowledged that while “he has been to synagogues” and “has Jewish people working for him,” he has yet to see Mamdani “engage” with what he described as mainstream Jewish institutions."

Mamdani's responded to this exchange:

“I look forward to working with Jewish leaders across this city, whether they're elected officials, rabbis, or community leaders, to deliver on the promise of not just protecting Jewish New Yorkers, but celebrating and cherishing them in the same city,” he said.

As for the ADL’s initiative, he said he had no issue with anyone keeping track of his administration’s actions, but that he doubted “Jonathan's ability to do so honestly, given that he previously said that I had not visited any synagogues, only to have to correct himself.”

The Jewish actress, Debra Messing, shared dozens of Instagram Stories slandering Mamdani. In one of them she featured a ballot on which the options were 'a Democrat' and 'an Actual Communist Jihadist, a literal 'Karl Marx-quoting America-hating jihadist'.

Does he have the power to do that or does Albany?

One factor will be what the rules are around being domiciled in NYC for tax reasons.

Ok so Palestinians aren't Arabs. Got it. What language would you say, in your obviously expert opinion, they should be speaking instead then?

What you're saying is rude is just me matching your tone from throughout this whole thread. Unpleasant, isn't it? Might be best to give it a rest.

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There's really no point discussing with you if you don't want to educate yourself on the very basics.

As you couldn't be bothered to read the article, I will leave this here

In a 2020 study put out by Tel Aviv University called The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant it was shown that both Jews of many types, including Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians share the majority of their ancestry with over 90 samples of ancient DNA extracted from remains found in Israel-Palestine and surrounding areas from over 3,000 years ago. There have been a plethora of studies showing that all the major Jewish groups share a common pool of paternal ancestry going back to the ancient Levant region (see, The genetic variation in the R1a clade among the Ashkenazi Levites’ Y chromosome, Doron Behar, 2017), with maternal ancestry coming from a mix of local populations in the diaspora and some Levantine ancestry (see, Counting the Founders: The Matrilineal Genetic Ancestry of the Jewish Diaspora, Behar, 2008). Whereas Palestinians show a majority of both paternal and maternal ancestry coming from the Levant with a minority of paternal ancestry coming from the Arabian peninsula (see, The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East, Nebel, 2001) as well as a majority of maternal ancestry coming from the Southern Levant (see, Y-Chromosome and mtDNA Genetics Reveal Significant Contrasts in Affinities of Modern Middle Eastern Populations with European and African Populations, Danielle A. Badro, 2013) .

Btw the whole 'Palestinians are Arabs and therefore not indigenous to the levant' is a far right Zionist argument to weaken Palestinian claim on the land. It has been debunked with genetic and DNA studies which prove otherwise.

Sure sure, that's why you're leaving this conversation. Not because you realised you might actually be wrong but would rather not have to admit that, but because I'm the one who needs to educate myself. Alrighty then.

Also, just to reiterate one more time because it's clearly not been comprehended properly the first two times - I think Palestinians should have their own state. Right next to Israel. Because I don't think you can ignore their deep ties to the land regardless of who the actual indigenous population is. Which, for the record, I have never said is just Jewish people. Trying to insinuate that I'm far right is beyond ridiculous 😂

We can carry on the conversation if you want, i really don't mind. Maybe somewhere you might admit you were wrong and Palestinians are indigenous to the land.

FYI, as far as I'm aware the only group that is formally and internationally recognised as indigenous to that specific land are the Negev Bedouins. Guess what their primary language is?

I didn't insuniate you were far-right, I have no idea what your political leanings are. The specific false view that Palestinians are not indigenous to the land is however, a view held by far right Zionists. I can link you some more articles, but im going to hazard a guess that you aren't going to read them.