To wish we had someone like Mamdani in UK politics?

[LostInManhattan]

Someone who’s passionate, young and willing to break the rules in politics, all while caring about his city and the people in it. I wish we had someone like that here.

The genocide is of course a valid issue but belongs in a different thread.

If interested, for further information

Why Zohran Mamdani’s win matters for Democrats.

An explainer from Vox

It isn’t a core issue for him but when he’s been questioned on the matter he’s given answers that the Zionists didn’t like. It’s no secret America cherishes and funds to no end its little proxy in the Middle East. So for him to not prioritise Israel over Americans like every other American politician is doing is inconceivable but makes sense because he wasn’t running for mayor of Tel Aviv …

Please post links to where he has been anti-Jewish people? I am genuinely interested as I haven’t seen anything

Can you show where you got this from as I haven't seen anything other than on odd comments and social posts but nothing that he has actually said or done. I want to know if this is true.

Please post links to words he has said that are anti-semitic.

Exactly he has been clear that his core issue is New Yorkers. It seems to be the core issue for some of his detractors but really they need to ask themselves why?

He has vowed to support NY Jews, he has repeatedly said that he thinks Israel has the right to exist, he has condemned Hamas for their war crimes, he has made it clear that he thinks that all life Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Arab, is equally precious and has supported nonviolent movements since his college years, what more do people want form the man on this topic?

I'm saying, not implying, that your previous and incredibly rudely made assertion was factually incorrect. Palestinians are Arabs so not indigenous to the area now referred to as Israel or Palestine. It doesn't mean there shouldn't be a Palestinian state alongside the state of Israel, it just means that you were stating lies as facts earlier, so I thought I'd call you out on it.

Again, Palestinians are Arabs so not indigenous to that specific land.

Bonkers

Please do educate yourself before attempting to 'call out' others for 'lying'

Palestinians ARE indigenous to the land. A very simple Google search will tell you that. You can start here:
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israelis-and-palestinians-are-both-indigenous-and-why-that-matters/

Tell me about it, the sheer arrogance of some people on this thread is astounding.

Iran 1970s, we are heading for a disaster.

The Greens aligning with islamists has to be the most laughable but dangerous combo, are people so naive they think these men will see women and gay people as equal! The deputy of the greens in this country wont let his wife speak in public, she couldn't anyway shes forced to wear the niqab! Plus they will never go along with Polanskis views on trans, just watch it implode.

Consistency for a start. He has said Israel has a right to exist but he has consistently qualified that with being clear that it doesn't have a right to be a Jewish state. He says ' I’m not comfortable supporting any state that has a hierarchy of citizenship on the basis of religion or anything else.' And yet this ostensibly laudable sentiment only seems to apply to Israel. What about Saudi Arabia which prohibits public worship of any religion other than Islam, and requires prospective citizens to be muslim, and where the legal system is a strict interpretation of Sharia law? I've seen him refer to Saudi in passing, when pushed, but its Israel that has been his focus for years. Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait all openly bar Jews from citizenship and none of them have thr sort of democratic freedoms that all Israeli citizens enjoy.

His mum is Hindu and dad Muslim but you can’t be half a religion. He identifies as a Muslim. It is disrespectful to dismiss that.

Can you provide a quote where Mamdani states that Israel/Gaza is one of his core issues/key priorities on becoming Mayor of New York?

From what I've seen, he was very focused on interfaith co-operation during his election campaign. His mum is Hindu. He had massive support from left-wing Jews. Conservative, Trump supporting Jews obviously didn't support him and used false claims of anti-semitism to try and deter Jewish and other voters but thankfully it didn't work.

Perhaps you can evidence your claims. That's just a slur to try and claim that any Jewish concern about Mamdani was orchestrated by Trump supporters and typified by false claims about antisemitism. He is a longstandingself declared antizionist who does not believe in the right of Jewish self determination in a Jewish state - he's fine with Israel as long as its not a Jewish state. The fractures in the Jewish community went along many lines. Native New Yorkers as opposed to people who had moved in recently, young vs old as well as political lines and there were many Jewish Democrats who did not vote for him. All easy to find online.

You appear to be saying that because I object to extremist political shilling on the site, I would also want to restrict posting on here to views that I hold myself. Utter bollocks.

My posts in this thread make that clear. I don’t know what can be done about posters shilling for extremist politics on the site, but then again I don’t run a platform with content generated by thousands of users. Hopefully MN are working on it. Online discussion is very easy to manipulate, more so than IRL discussions.

Interesting that your response is to suggest that I should use another site if I don’t like it. Is that a normal response when an uncomfortable truth has been pointed out?

Of course people know about SM, however the guidelines on here are you report to mnhq rather than do it on the thread.

Can you say more about the ‘uncomfortable truth’?

I’m not sure what you mean, can you be specific?

I wondered how long it would take before the repetitively circuitous he’s antisemitic drill (still waiting to hear what he has said to evidence) would descend into Islamophobia.

Why do I get the distinct impression that so many posters on here are objecting to Mamdani’s victory because he is Muslim?

Because its in your imagination I think.

He is an openly declared antizionist who does not believe the Jewish people have the right to self determination in a Jewish state. That is antisemitic.

No it doesnt, maybe it means that in your imagination. And if he was an open anti-semitic he wouldn't have had thousands of American Jewish New Yorkers voting for him.

I appreciate that the left bases their views on emotions rather than facts, but rather than get into what one person imagines or not let's look at the Oxford Dictionary definition of Zionism which is:

"Zionism is defined as a political movement for the re-establishment and now the protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel."

So if you agree that the State of Israel has a right to exist then that makes you a Zionist. If you don't agree that the State of Israel has a right to exist then that makes you anti Zionist.

In addition given that if the State of Israel ceased to exist then that would predominantly affect Jewish people and therefore be anti semetic.

I'm really sorry to burden you with facts and reality rather than the comfort zone of emotion, and of course anyone in their imagination can come up with their own personal definition of Zionism but it doesn't make it true or accurate.

I took the definition of Zionism from the World Zionist Organisation. Where did you get yours from? Mine certainly wasn't from my imagination.