Anyone like to reconsider what they posted about the train attack on Saturday night?

[margegunderson]

There were (to my mind) some horrific posts claiming that it MUST be a terrorist attack, demanding information on the attacker’s race and motivations NOW, shouting about Starmer censorship and picking fights with anyone suggesting it might not be cut and dried and to wait for more information. Hideously racist as well.
If that was you - any reflections today? What will you do if there’s a next time?

Yes, so 500,000 is a dangerous over exaggeration.

The actual numbers are horrific without inflaming the view of this by misinformation.

The term ‘little girls’ sensationalises this horror too, playing on the readers view of this being about young children.

the fact is, we just don’t know how many.
Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford.
(and London)
We only know about the reported incidents.
Most abuse goes unreported.
There are future scandals unfolding in real time as I type.

The number of posters who can’t grasp the difference between terror and terrorism is really quite something.

It was an estimate put forward in a House of Lords debate based on the large number of towns and cities where the gangs operate and the amount of time over which the coverup/institutional enablement has occurred and is allegedly still happening.

Thanks to the repeated and ongoing failures of government to address this effectively, and the victims were bring shamed into silence by the authorised accusing THEM of being racist, there are not yet more definitive numbers. We should all be horrified at this.

Even today, Jess Phillips is trying to water down the investigation into the specific profile and MO of the gangs. She has a 45% Muslim population in her constituency. I’m sure many would want her to investigate properly but due to the well documented ‘clan’ system perpetuated by repeated first cousin marriage (65% in some Muslim communities), and the interrelationships that creates, many won’t. It is perplexing that she is acting as she is.

To those who are attacking me because of my posts, please remember that I am just passing on facts often out forward by moderate Muslims themselves who want to distance themselves from the harmful practices being brought into our country by others. I am not racist or ‘anti Muslim’. If the facts don’t fit your narrative you may need to re-examine your narrative.

I repeatedly say ‘not all Muslims/immigrants/boat people’ and I mean it.

wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islamic_Law

are you actually serious?

Girls from the age of 10 ARE little girls.

Why is the repeated rape and torturing of say a 16 yr old any less worthy of utter horror? I can’t believe you are quibbling about ‘little girls’.

The girl in this report was 12 and the policeman raping her threatened to hand her back to the gangs if she didn’t comply. But ‘little girls’ is inflammatory??

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9y0lvpyqvo?app-referrer=deep-link

But but but but I think it’s terror so it’s terrorism

are people really this blind to the different ramifications and protocols of terrorism

Saturday night sounded terrifying, absolutely horrendous. As being confronted and murdered by Valdo colacane must have been terrifying.
how can anyone think either of these crimes are terrorism and how would the specific powers given to fight terrorism be best used as a result of these crimes?
valdo calocane’s family themselves said mental health services failed them. No amount of anti terror surveillance or intelligence would have changed the outcome.

it’s inflammatory when people would rather avoid discussing it altogether because obviously it’s racist to accept there’s a specific issue with pakistani gangs raping mostly white young british girls.

Unfettered access to the internet and violent, misogynistic’games’ are hugely endemic in this country

I despair myself of my then 10 year old stepson being bought GTA by his grandmother, no phone controls, gaming literally all night with no limits or monitoring.

he’s not the only one, and it is predominately boys.

I have 3 sons, I am a vocal champion of how brilliant boys can be. However isolating them on screens all day and night, no exercise, no socialising, no direction from parents, is a recipe for disaster

Some of these children were 11 years old. That is my definition of little girls. We can not underestimate the magnitude of these crimes. Some of these kids did not survive their ordeal.

Here is the original thread. Most of the worst comments have been deleted.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5437223-stabbing-in-a-train-in-huntingdon

And yes, people who think that something being terrifying means it’s an act of terrorism is scary.

There are people who are second and third generation migrants who appear to hate the UK.

In the early 2000s not long after 9/11 I did a (short lived) car share with a Muslim woman whose views were absolutely shocking. She was highly educated (in the UK) and a solicitor.

Unless you were in the car and hearing her views you would accuse me of making it up.

I had another muslim colleague in a different job who had attended Catholic school in the UK who would have been equally horrified by the things the woman in the car was telling me about her brothers/ her views on 9/11 and jihad.

The woman I car shared with definitely had no discernible mental health issues but she supported the terrorists. She was also born in the UK.

So let’s just guess at the figure of 500,000?

1,400 to 500,000 - come on.

it’s far far more than 1,400.
If you’d bothered to read my earlier post, this figure was just for Rotherham alone and the actual figure, for this town alone, will be much higher because not all the girls will be known about. And yes, girls. Little girls.

Presumably that poster thinks Prince Andrew (whoops! Just Andrew) has been badly treated and it’s all a bit much, nothing to see here, because at least one of his - er - friends was 17.

The rush to blame some poor non existent geordie football fans was another form of snobbery and ill informed judgment
2 victims were in fact a football player and a fan, the fan was a hero too.
prejudice, stereotyping, ignorance and superiority does not stop at racism

Yes, I couldn’t believe the desperation to lay the blame on football fans! I have been going to matches for 40 years and back in the day there were a few violent clashes (but between those keen to participate mostly) but supporters indiscriminately stabbing members of the public? Yeah, right.

Don’t forget all the cocaine at Wembley because only football is played at Wembley
oh wait …..

Exactly.
It's ridiculous.

HARD agree!

As we saw with this attack - people could not wait to reach for racism. It’s not just “illegal immigrants” they take issue with or “Islamists”.

It’s anybody non-white. And being three / four generations deep in the UK won’t change how they see you / us.

How do you know the UK “took in” his parents?

Why do you assume his parents were asylum seekers or why do you even assume his parents are from elsewhere?

What does the fact his parents / grandparents / great-grandparents may have been born overseas have to do with an ill man carrying out a brutal attack. How are those unrelated facts linked in your mind?

It’s not shouting racism it’s just accurately classifying your post as racism.

These people are born and raised in Britain. They are a product of Britain not a random foreign country. (assuming Williams was born here.)

While I think supporting the terrorists who committed 9/11 is abhorrent (although I would be interested to here the nuance in what she said) is not indicative of hating the UK.

It was more than 20 years ago. I can't remember exact words.

She told me her brothers were prepared to fight. She told me how they felt about British/ Western culture.

She did not specifically say they hated the UK but they clearly hated aspects of British culture and felt Jihad is an appropriate response. Given the fact that we've had British born terrorists commit acts in the UK it is clear that SOME people feel this way.

This ought to be able to be discussed. It's not all Muslims, it's not all immigrants. It is not racist to want to understand why some people feel this way.

Those damn Muslims, always trying to harm and kills us!

Yet the train worker who tried to save others and was left fighting for his life has a Muslim sounding name.

The racists and Muslim haters must be losing their minds. Not only was the attacker not a Muslim immigrant, it was a Muslim who risked himself to save other passengers.

I actually meant I read valid points but no one appears to be listening to each other.

I agree.