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To divorce or overreacting?

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ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 10:17

I’d really appreciate some perspective because I can’t tell if I’m overreacting or if this is something serious enough to end a marriage over.

I have been married to my husband for a couple of years and he’s a really good man. He provides for me financially even though I work full time, he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.), and he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me. He treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

He spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me. We hang out a lot- watching movies, playing video games, or just relaxing together. He has close friends, but mostly interacts with them online or by phone. He’s not very social outside the house, which has never really been a huge problem for me.

The issue, and it’s been going on for years now, is that he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.
Before marriage, he used to constantly tell me how lucky he was, how much he appreciated me, how he loved me, and he would plan things for us. That’s actually one of the main reasons I married him. I need reassurance and verbal affection to feel loved. Now, yes he tells me he loves me every day (at night before we sleep, in the morning before work), but he is not as vocal as he used to be. He even used to send me paragraphs expressing his love for me.

Now I’m the one planning every date. If I didn’t plan them, we literally wouldn’t go out. When I bring it up, he says he’ll “try,” but even when I suggest something really minimal like “just one date night a month,” he’ll say “I’ll try” instead of actually committing. He'll then do it once or twice and then we will go months where he does not plan any dates before the issue is raised again.

It breaks my heart because I feel like I’ve been so clear about what I need, and it’s not even something huge or expensive. I’m not asking for daily gifts or over-the-top romance- just small verbal reassurances, compliments, and some effort to plan things so I feel seen and wanted. In his mind he can't see why I have an issue with being the one who plans all the dates, but I want it to be a shared thing and I want to feel like he wants to plan things and do fun things together. BTW he pays always. Not sure if that adds anything.

He’s not cruel or dismissive, like I said he says he loves me, and I know he does in his own way. But this is starting to really affect me. When I tried to tell him that, he said something that really hurt- that he “doesn’t think he has it in him” to give me what I need. Later he backtracked, but honestly I don’t think asking for one date night a month is too much.

So now I’m stuck wondering:
Am I being unreasonable for wanting this?
Would you take this as something that could be worked on, or do you think divorce is needed?

I love him, and we have a peaceful marriage but I feel unhappy with these two things. I honestly don’t know if this is fixable or if I should start accepting that this might be the rest of my life if I stay. He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

PS before anyone suggests- he is a very loyal person. We have access to each other's phones, accounts etc. so I know that he is not doing anything shady or cheating. Just want to put this out there before any potential comments.

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MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 03/11/2025 11:57

The comment your husband made shows very clearly that he's exasperated by your behaviour. I'm sorry OP but I've had a relationship with someone with BPD and it's not easy. I think you're probably re-framing this story so that you get more sympathy and there's a lot you're not telling us.

Your behaviour will push him away and you will regret it. I know he's begging you to let him 'try' at the moment but one day he'll suddenly decide he's not going to spend his life 'trying' and walking on eggshells to appease you. Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to write because you won't listen. That's the nature of a personality disordered person.

BuggeringHell · 03/11/2025 11:57

OP happiness comes from within.

Focus on your inner contentment.

Shakespearandi · 03/11/2025 11:58

As someone going through a hugely painful separation. My OH had felt unloved for years and not told me.I felt things weren't great but didn't know he felt that way. We still got on OK I thought. We have three young children. Anyway, he WFH and made friends with a mum in my daughter's class..I thought it was nice he had a freind as hw didn't really have any friends. Fast forward, he had an affair and left me for her and now he hates me. Saying I made his life miserable for years. I have done a lot of soul searching and come to the conclusion a lot was my fault. His love language is touch and appreciation. We had become a lot less affectionate, he came through alcoholism, I had three children in 3.5 years and our sex life was none existent for years. I feel I could have stepped up and shown him more love and we wouldn't be where we are now. My point is, your OH sounds lovely but I can see when you don't feel seen or met, it can hurt.
I'd suggest maybe you can both write down ideas for date nights on pieces of paper, and then draw one once a month. For reassuring texts..not sure. Do you send them? Maybe he will then reply with loving one.
It sounds like a good idea that you are working on your insecurities. but I now can see how important it is that both partners in a relationship are aware of the others needs and try to be there for each other. If I could go back in time..

HearingDrums · 03/11/2025 11:58

Just re read your first post. He has begged you to let him try?
What led up to that begging, have you threatened to leave him over it?
That sounds like emotional abuse to me, poor man.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/11/2025 12:00

Kbroughton · 03/11/2025 11:44

I am 49 and i agree with date nights! Mainly because if you dont plan it in, then life, work, kids, dogs gets in the way and before you know it you have barely spent any 121 time together which isnt sitting on the couch watching tele. We have one night a month that's just for us. It is this Saturday and we are going to a barn dance! We agreed last January that we would build in nice interesting and different things to do. Works for us. We both do it though, not just one partner planning.

Yes, fair enough, but I still don’t see the need to call going out as a married or long term couple, a ‘date night’. It sounds like something to be posted on SM, hoping to impress.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 12:00

Praying4Peace · 03/11/2025 11:54

This in abundance
And why is he providing for you when you work ft?
You need to reframe your thought process OP.
Imo, you are spoilt

HE DOES NOT LET ME PAY. I WOULD IF HE WOULD LET ME. I have said in this thread multiple times that that is not my choice nor is it on me. He likes providing for people- his siblings, friends, everyone. I cannot do anything about that.

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Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 12:02

Teathecolourofcreosote · 03/11/2025 11:55

I have a husband who is crap at words. 99% of the text messages he has ever sent say 'okay'. He is imprecise at language which drives me bonkers sometimes but it is also part of who he is.

Of course he was a bit better in the early days. He was trying to impress me. But we all do it. Can you honestly say you didn't make a bit more effort in how you look, dress, act in the early days of your relationship compared to now?

I'll never get great declarations of love (I'm not good at them either) but I get cups of tea in the morning, he is always supportive of the things I want to do, works hard for the family etc.
He's also not the organiser, I am but as I don't want to cut the wood or clean out the fire I'll swap it for admin as I'm better at it and would probably get stressed leaving it to someone else anyway..

To be honest I found from past experience that the ones who were great at the words did so because the actions didn't match so I'm perfectly happy to accept this 'flaw'.

If you want to go to a restaurant just book it and enjoy yourselves. Stop putting such a huge weight on 'the gesture' or it will all become meaningless as he's just doing it to stop you complaining.

Everything @Teathecolourofcreosote said but especially

Of course he was a bit better in the early days. He was trying to impress me. But we all do it. Can you honestly say you didn't make a bit more effort in how you look, dress, act in the early days of your relationship compared to now?

I mean, when me and DH first started dating I would be dressed up in sexy underwear under a black silk nightgown when he turned up at my door. Now it's a baggy t-shirt (usually covered in dog hair 😂) and some leggings when he gets home from work.

We also used to send each other massive texts about how much we loved each other. Now it's mostly "what do you want for tea?" or "can you pick up bin bags on the way home please".

But I would say I am actually happier than ever because - whilst the honeymoon stage is absolutely fantastic - the warmth and comfort and security that comes from marriage or a LTR is even better.

The OP doesn't sound like she feels the same about her DH though....

BunnyLake · 03/11/2025 12:02

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

So what! You plan them then. Unless he point blank refuses to step out the door ever this is not a real problem. This is a first world problem if ever I heard one.

JLou08 · 03/11/2025 12:03

I suppose you can divorce for whatever reason. I wouldn't be divorcing in your situation though. I wouldn't recommend it to a friend either because I'd think they're looking for perfection and that doesn't exist so they would be likely to end up disappointed in future relationships and regretting their divorce.
Not planning a date night when everything else is good and they pay for everything shouldn't be an issue. It seems a pretty fair distribution. Long paragraphs about love are for young people in new relationships usually. I don't know anyone a few years in to marriage who would still be doing this except for on special occasions maybe.

PixieandMe · 03/11/2025 12:03

It just sounds as though the 'Honeymoon' phase is over. I get it and am a similar stage in my (lovely) relationship; he has moved in with me now. Things are different and on the whole feel less romantic but more... everyday (I suppose is the word I would use)! But that's also great because when we were dating, for a long time we both wanted to eventually live together, and now we are.

BluntAzureDreamer · 03/11/2025 12:04

I could have pretty much written this. It's a conversation I have with my husband every so often (we've been together 7 years, married for 18 months). He's not a man of words and everything you have said also applies to my husband (rarely goes out, physically very affectionate, loves being home with me, I plan all the dates and holidays etc). It does upset me at times BUT it is a relatively minor thing in a sea of otherwise amazing things. I genuinely feel my DH cannot articulate his emotions (this will date from childhood) but it's not that the feelings aren't there ... I read a saying recently : 'the well is full but the faucet is jammed' and this summed him up perfectly. He says he will try but he can't actually do it. His love language is acts of service, mine is words - and that's fine.

I know he'd go to the ends of the earth for me and I have had to accept that verbal compliments etc and planning, isn't his thing. I can't change it but I can love him for who he is and appreciate everything he does do for me. Nobody brings every single thing you need in a perfect package, people are flawed and human and we can choose to focus on the imperfections or to love them anyway and appreciate it makes them who they are. He is probably more comfortable with you now and feels he can be himself rather than putting on a front trying to woo you

grizzlyoldbear · 03/11/2025 12:04

You've probably matched with your exact opposite there Op because that's what you're attracted to. You're basically saying he's 'retreated' since your married. That's a classic pattern. I would get individual therapy rather than put pressure on your marriage.

TodaRythm · 03/11/2025 12:05

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

Breaking news: your husband is not perfect.
But you know what? Nobody is.
And you seem to be intent on blaming him for your frustration, even though you’ve already admitted you are the one dealing with a mental health issue.
Just look at your message I am quoting with those exclamation marks and that unhinged tone.
Blimey, calm down, alright ? It’s hardly the end of the world.
Why are you kicking off like that when people are trying to help you ?
Maybe you should consider the possibility that you might be wrong, lovely.
I feel for your husband. He must be a saint.

moderate · 03/11/2025 12:05

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 12:00

HE DOES NOT LET ME PAY. I WOULD IF HE WOULD LET ME. I have said in this thread multiple times that that is not my choice nor is it on me. He likes providing for people- his siblings, friends, everyone. I cannot do anything about that.

This is the third or fourth time you've responded to this narrow point while completely ignoring the wider advice you're getting.

I am starting to feel really, really sorry for your husband.

ThatCyanCat · 03/11/2025 12:07

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

So get divorced. A generous, expressive, loyal man who pays for everything won't have any trouble finding a new partner and you'll be free to find someone exactly like him but with this one additional trait that you need to make your marriage bearable. Do you think that'll happen? Will you be happy?

Are there children?

Tiswa · 03/11/2025 12:07

Is this your longest relationship because it seems as if you are still stuck in the early stages of the relationship with the things you need and the constant reassurances that don’t necessarily remain or need to remain in longer term relationships and marriage.

He clearly is settled and happy in the way it has evolved and you aren’t and I think it is on you to figure if that is enough for you and if it isn’t how you want to handle it

ObsidianTree · 03/11/2025 12:08

The two reasons you have mentioned for why you might want a divorce are non issues.

If my husband wanted me to declare my love to him with long texts /speeches, I would find this completely off putting. I would actually hate that. I'm not a verbal lovey dovey soppy person and this would be my idea of hell. Maybe your husband isn't able to verbalise like you want. Some people just struggle with this type of thing. Maybe he's not a born romantic.

Re planning date nights. Maybe it's not something he's good at either. You said he likes to stay home, some people are like that and don't really enjoy leaving the house. If you plan things does he refuse to go? If he's happy to go along, why can't you be the one the plan them? Or a discussion on what you would like to do together? You're married, you don't need your husband to plan exciting surprise date nights. Of course these things are nice, but it's surely not a deal breaker.

If you think these things are a deal breaker, you're going to find it bloody hard to find someone that meets your high standards. Don't be surprised if they all promise you the world when first dating and then it slowly eases off once settled into a relationship.... Which happens in all relationships.

MoominMai · 03/11/2025 12:08

Starrystarrysky · 03/11/2025 10:42

There's a great concept I picked up from Esther Perel, of the person who is 'better' at something taking that on for the couple. So instead of thinking 'he doesn't do dates', reframe it as 'I am the one in our relationship who brings the fun and the activities and that's what is great about me' and then go plan lots of fun!

My advice would be different if he was coming across as generally uncaring. But unless there are drip-feeds coming he's one of the good ones. Don't throw that away just because you're not identical people.

Great advice - mental note made by me anyway if I’m ever lucky enough to meet a man as good as OPs!

HPFA · 03/11/2025 12:09

Why not just plan the date nights yourself?

My partner would never organise anything but is always happy and appreciative to go along with what I want to do (I do make sure it's something he would enjoy as well) and that suits us fine.

JipJup · 03/11/2025 12:11

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 12:00

HE DOES NOT LET ME PAY. I WOULD IF HE WOULD LET ME. I have said in this thread multiple times that that is not my choice nor is it on me. He likes providing for people- his siblings, friends, everyone. I cannot do anything about that.

Lol, like you don't know his bank details to send him the money 🤣🙄

lifeonmars100 · 03/11/2025 12:11

Mine was shagging around while I was at home with a new born baby, he then left and never paid any child support. I divorced him.

ilucgaiaw · 03/11/2025 12:11

ThatCyanCat · 03/11/2025 12:07

So get divorced. A generous, expressive, loyal man who pays for everything won't have any trouble finding a new partner and you'll be free to find someone exactly like him but with this one additional trait that you need to make your marriage bearable. Do you think that'll happen? Will you be happy?

Are there children?

Send him my way. I'd be really happy to have him.

MummyJ36 · 03/11/2025 12:12

Are you attracted to him?

shhblackbag · 03/11/2025 12:12

I missed this.

He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

In no universe would I be begging anyone, least of all if I already did for them what he does for you. Does this man have friends? Maybe he needs a chat with them.

TodaRythm · 03/11/2025 12:14

HPFA · 03/11/2025 12:09

Why not just plan the date nights yourself?

My partner would never organise anything but is always happy and appreciative to go along with what I want to do (I do make sure it's something he would enjoy as well) and that suits us fine.

I am beginning to think that she does not do it because she needs a reason to be get the hump about.