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To divorce or overreacting?

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ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 10:17

I’d really appreciate some perspective because I can’t tell if I’m overreacting or if this is something serious enough to end a marriage over.

I have been married to my husband for a couple of years and he’s a really good man. He provides for me financially even though I work full time, he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.), and he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me. He treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

He spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me. We hang out a lot- watching movies, playing video games, or just relaxing together. He has close friends, but mostly interacts with them online or by phone. He’s not very social outside the house, which has never really been a huge problem for me.

The issue, and it’s been going on for years now, is that he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.
Before marriage, he used to constantly tell me how lucky he was, how much he appreciated me, how he loved me, and he would plan things for us. That’s actually one of the main reasons I married him. I need reassurance and verbal affection to feel loved. Now, yes he tells me he loves me every day (at night before we sleep, in the morning before work), but he is not as vocal as he used to be. He even used to send me paragraphs expressing his love for me.

Now I’m the one planning every date. If I didn’t plan them, we literally wouldn’t go out. When I bring it up, he says he’ll “try,” but even when I suggest something really minimal like “just one date night a month,” he’ll say “I’ll try” instead of actually committing. He'll then do it once or twice and then we will go months where he does not plan any dates before the issue is raised again.

It breaks my heart because I feel like I’ve been so clear about what I need, and it’s not even something huge or expensive. I’m not asking for daily gifts or over-the-top romance- just small verbal reassurances, compliments, and some effort to plan things so I feel seen and wanted. In his mind he can't see why I have an issue with being the one who plans all the dates, but I want it to be a shared thing and I want to feel like he wants to plan things and do fun things together. BTW he pays always. Not sure if that adds anything.

He’s not cruel or dismissive, like I said he says he loves me, and I know he does in his own way. But this is starting to really affect me. When I tried to tell him that, he said something that really hurt- that he “doesn’t think he has it in him” to give me what I need. Later he backtracked, but honestly I don’t think asking for one date night a month is too much.

So now I’m stuck wondering:
Am I being unreasonable for wanting this?
Would you take this as something that could be worked on, or do you think divorce is needed?

I love him, and we have a peaceful marriage but I feel unhappy with these two things. I honestly don’t know if this is fixable or if I should start accepting that this might be the rest of my life if I stay. He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

PS before anyone suggests- he is a very loyal person. We have access to each other's phones, accounts etc. so I know that he is not doing anything shady or cheating. Just want to put this out there before any potential comments.

OP posts:
TodaRythm · 03/11/2025 13:44

The plot thickens. What an absolute shitshow.
Honestly, don't waste time on MN. You need professional help. Maybe your husband, too.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 13:44

Scoffingbiscuits · 03/11/2025 13:35

Yes, I see. Getting him to break contact with some of his OWN family is actually much, much worse. I'm getting a very strong sense that you're bad news. You're someone who never feels that she's treated as well as she deserves, and who breaks contact with people (in the case of your husband that would be a divorce) over very little.

If you read my replies, I said multiple times I had no hand in him cutting ties. I tried to prevent it actually and I tried to keep the peace.
I have also thanked everyone for their advice and I have agreed with most of it and that I need to keep working on myself and I even specified the advice that I will be implementing. What more do you want from me?

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Whatwerewetalkingabout · 03/11/2025 13:51

OP we have very similar husbands, mine has a million great qualities but he never arranges dates or holidays unless its my birthday or something. I'm the romantic so I just arrange them instead. I think a PP nailed it when saying that if this is something you enjoy in your relationship, just make the arrangements yourself. He's not a bad person for having a blind spot in this area. Take some joy in researching new places to go.

I agree with others that if you divorce over this very minor issue, unless you've totally fallen out of love with him, you are massively shooting yourself in the foot. Xx

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 13:52

Whatwerewetalkingabout · 03/11/2025 13:51

OP we have very similar husbands, mine has a million great qualities but he never arranges dates or holidays unless its my birthday or something. I'm the romantic so I just arrange them instead. I think a PP nailed it when saying that if this is something you enjoy in your relationship, just make the arrangements yourself. He's not a bad person for having a blind spot in this area. Take some joy in researching new places to go.

I agree with others that if you divorce over this very minor issue, unless you've totally fallen out of love with him, you are massively shooting yourself in the foot. Xx

Appreciate this x

OP posts:
moderate · 03/11/2025 13:53

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 13:44

If you read my replies, I said multiple times I had no hand in him cutting ties. I tried to prevent it actually and I tried to keep the peace.
I have also thanked everyone for their advice and I have agreed with most of it and that I need to keep working on myself and I even specified the advice that I will be implementing. What more do you want from me?

and I even specified the advice that I will be implementing.

I must have missed that bit. What did you specify?

AngelicKaty · 03/11/2025 13:54

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 10:37

My love language is words of affirmation. He knows this since day one.

He tells you he loves you in the morning and again at night. How many times a day does he need to tell you for it to be enough?

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 13:55

moderate · 03/11/2025 13:53

and I even specified the advice that I will be implementing.

I must have missed that bit. What did you specify?

I said I really liked the idea someone suggested of both of us writing an idea down once a month and picking one of them out.

OP posts:
moderate · 03/11/2025 13:58

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 13:55

I said I really liked the idea someone suggested of both of us writing an idea down once a month and picking one of them out.

And if he isn't forthcoming with remembering to write the idea down, you'll still want to divorce him.

You've cherry-picked the most irrelevant bit of advice from a huge chorus of voices telling you that he is not the problem.

MrsJPBP · 03/11/2025 14:01

You could have described my husband, OP. We have been married for 20 years, and yes, I have had times where I feel like you do. However, I have come to understand that my need for him to constantly tell me he loves me is completely my issue. Words are empty and meaningless if they’re not backed up by actions. I know 100% that he loves me, because he bends over backwards to do things for me and take care of me. His “love language” is acts of service. He would give me the shirt off his back and last £1 no questions asked if I needed it. I adore him. Yes, he’s not sociable and I feel a bit down if he doesn’t say I look nice when I’ve made an effort but I balance this with understanding that he just wasn’t brought up in a demonstrative household, and I also think he may be on the spectrum as he doesn’t even think about the fact I might need a compliment because he doesn’t need them. He’s also a homebody who doesn’t drink, he simply doesn’t have the same social needs that I do.

We absolutely play to our strengths. I am better at child admin, he’s good at sorting bills/life admin. I’m a good cook, he hates it so he cleans up. I hate laundry, so he does it all and I do the hoovering, etc. Planning a social life falls to me because he can do without one. He would be happy pottering at home with me and snuggling up to watch a film. Which is lovely, but I need a bit more. So I plan, he happily participates. I do my own thing or go out with friends quite a lot. I have classes I enjoy, groups I attend. He keeps the home fires burning and I enjoy my freedom! When I asked him to plan a weekend away for my 40th, he nearly had a breakdown with the stress of it! I felt terrible and should have given him a much clearer steer on what I wanted. But I love planning stuff like that, so it’s unreasonable of me really to expect him to do what I want, the way I want it done when it’s not his way. So I’ve made peace with being the planner. I ask him outright for things I need and give him a clear steer.

However, I hear what you say about you feeling your needs aren’t being heard or met. I think him telling you he loves you twice a day is enough really, expecting reams of texts telling you how important and wonderful you are is unreasonable and you need to be working on your insecurities.
Marriage guidance counselling would be a good step before divorce surely? Though you are free to divorce him for whatever reason you want. I think it would be a mistake though.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:05

moderate · 03/11/2025 13:58

And if he isn't forthcoming with remembering to write the idea down, you'll still want to divorce him.

You've cherry-picked the most irrelevant bit of advice from a huge chorus of voices telling you that he is not the problem.

What are you on about? Someone suggested that idea to help me, and I like the idea. We would both sit down together and write an idea down. How would he 'forget' if it is something we can do together? What the fuck do you want from me I know I am the problem. I am in therapy. I agree I was an idiot for wanting to divorce him. What else do you want?

OP posts:
Savemydrink · 03/11/2025 14:10

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:05

What are you on about? Someone suggested that idea to help me, and I like the idea. We would both sit down together and write an idea down. How would he 'forget' if it is something we can do together? What the fuck do you want from me I know I am the problem. I am in therapy. I agree I was an idiot for wanting to divorce him. What else do you want?

Maybe you should apologise to your DH for being exceedingly unreasonable and threatening divorce for some made up slight

No5ChalksRoad · 03/11/2025 14:11

I couldn’t be with someone who was so clingy and dependent. He sounds juvenile.

Conniebygaslight · 03/11/2025 14:11

OP, my DH is a bit like this (in terms of organising things- not verbal thing). I often say we’d never do anything if I didnt organise stuff. He is however an incredible husband and father and has made me feel cherished every single day for 28 years. Sometimes I get irritated that I’m the one to organise things but then I remember that he wouldn’t dream of expecting me to do DIY or car stuff or mow the lawn. He does his fair share around the house too. Sometimes you’ve got to look at what you’ve got. It sounds like you’re not as in love with your DH as I am though, so maybe your irritation is greater.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:11

Savemydrink · 03/11/2025 14:10

Maybe you should apologise to your DH for being exceedingly unreasonable and threatening divorce for some made up slight

The conversations being had behind the scenes after I have spent time reading every single comment on this thread have nothing to do with it. I asked a question- I received my answer. I thanked everyone for their perspectives and corrected some misconceptions and I am using the advice I have received to rectify the situation offline.

OP posts:
Luckyingame · 03/11/2025 14:13

Unless there is some massive mishap and he turns into a werewolf every night, then no, I would not divorce.

shhblackbag · 03/11/2025 14:14

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:05

What are you on about? Someone suggested that idea to help me, and I like the idea. We would both sit down together and write an idea down. How would he 'forget' if it is something we can do together? What the fuck do you want from me I know I am the problem. I am in therapy. I agree I was an idiot for wanting to divorce him. What else do you want?

I wonder if you speak to him like this every time things don't go your way?

You're still wanting paragraphs of why he loves you or whatever. It's so unreasonable and unrealistic.

I'm out. Good luck to him.

Cailleachnamara · 03/11/2025 14:15

OP, you are married to the type of man nearly every woman would be delighted to have as a husband. If you don't believe this just spend a few hours reading threads on Mumsnet. And yet you still think he is just not perfect enough for you! He clearly demonstrates love to you on a daily basis and yet you wilfully decide that his love still isn't good enough for you. Grow up!

In some respects yes, I do think you should divorce him as it strikes me he probably deserves much better than you, and to be with a partner who actually appreciates him.

You really do need to sort yourself out. I cannot imagine with standards like you seem to insist on that you could ever find a partner who was good enough for you.

JoWilkinsonsno1fan · 03/11/2025 14:16

Why does he need to ‘plan’ dates, its just over engineering something social - why can’t it be shall we go for a walk, shall we watch a film?

He is clearly saying he loves you, twice a day, every day - you say you need affirmation- he is giving you this?

I don’t think this is a DH issue, it is something for you to carry on working on in therapy. He may well have thought you are married now - there is no bigger commitment to you he can make - so the date night thing slipped!!! This also is a 2 way thing how do you make him feel valued and supported?

You would be mad to throw this away - reread your post he genuinely loves you!

FaveCultPen · 03/11/2025 14:18

Another EUPD symptom is sabotaging relationships. Be careful OP. Good that you have sought advice here.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:20

shhblackbag · 03/11/2025 14:14

I wonder if you speak to him like this every time things don't go your way?

You're still wanting paragraphs of why he loves you or whatever. It's so unreasonable and unrealistic.

I'm out. Good luck to him.

I never said once I want paragraphs. I gave an example of how we was able to express words beforehand to make a point that he CAN express himself.

OP posts:
handsdownthebest · 03/11/2025 14:21

I have been married to a man like that for 40 years.
However, he is an absolute gem and despite his little nuances I still love to bits and he istill dotes on our adult children now as much as always.

Henbags · 03/11/2025 14:27

I am quite shocked that you are even considering divorce over this. If you were to have children, there would be no time for dates full stop, and you’d have to cope then. I find “love language” to be a bit of a made up phenomenon, but that’s just me.

BunnyLake · 03/11/2025 14:30

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 14:05

What are you on about? Someone suggested that idea to help me, and I like the idea. We would both sit down together and write an idea down. How would he 'forget' if it is something we can do together? What the fuck do you want from me I know I am the problem. I am in therapy. I agree I was an idiot for wanting to divorce him. What else do you want?

Well then problem solved. No need to divorce now eh?

FreeTheOakTree · 03/11/2025 14:31

He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

I feel desperately sorry for this man. I was married to someone with BPD and i can say with absolute certainty, nothing is ever enough.

I used to bend myself out of shape trying to please and satisfy, keep up with latest demands, distance myself from people he felt slighted or disrespected him.

What I know now is that gaping hole of emptiness can never be filled. We are gaslit into believing we are the problem. We apologise, say we will do better, spend our time consumed with trying to please. It is nothing short of permanent torment.

I am not without understanding, but my sympathy goes to those having to deal with people with BPD, it is always always about them and trying to live with the intensity it brings, strips you of your sanity.

justasmallbiz · 03/11/2025 14:33

I want to be married to him :(

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