New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

[Muffinmam]

Last night an episode of 60 Minutes (Australia) aired and an allegation was
made that it wasn’t just girls who were trafficked to Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor by Ghislane and Epstein - there were also young boys.

I’ve included the link below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-9SfptZlU&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

This allegation never made it into the book because the writer never had a second witness to concur. However, he revealed it in the 60 Minutes interview last night and 60 Minutes aired what is a defamatory allegation - which makes me think that 60 Minutes felt confident it was true (otherwise their lawyers would have killed the story). It was a very short reference but British Police need to interview Ghislane as to Andrew’s other victims.

Further, AIBU to think that the Royal Protection officers should be made to answer questions as to criminality involving Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?

Also, how can Beatrice & Eugenie still support their disgusting father after everything we know? Do they not care about their own children? Particularly Beatrice’s young step son. Hopefully Andrew is not allowed anywhere near this boy.

‘Random’ - why random? There is such a thing as contract killers. The ones who’ve gotten caught have been studied.

Billionaires and leaders of countries could access these people.

It’s a very dark world and I don’t know anything about it other reading on the Guardian, on NBC and so on.

Edited to add - he got a ‘sweetheart deal’ prison sentence the first time, and he had a lot of info on very powerful men so I think he would have felt reasonably comfortable to at least wait until he knew which way the court case was likely to go, plus Trump was in power - he could have been thinking of a pardon?

"Random" in the sense that they knew where they stood with Epstein, but new and murderous criminal dealings would have to involve new players and much higher stakes.

As for Epstein's psychological state, he was on suicide watch presumably for good reason. Hand-wavey speculation about "what he might have hoped for if he was in a hopeful mood" is pretty much a waste of time.

@ArmySurplusHamster I was suggesting his sporting tastes, though voracious, were probably relatively pedestrian compared to his son's.
@Catullus5 it is

That’s ‘vanilla’. Meat & two veg is the equipment.

Lownie has already stated in a podcast that he knows who killed Epstein but he can’t release the name for legal reasons.

Bloody hell, is it safe to admit that??

I used to think that to be a royalist you had to be a bit stupid ( I still think that )

When the fawning email Andrew sent to Epstein was released (‘ we will play soon’ ) some royalists on here were deployed and claimed he was talking about golf

Now if you remain a supporter of the Windsors you are also a supporter of sex abusers and pedophiles .
They all knew - all the Windsors - and for a least a decade . This flurry of made up nonsense ie removing made up titles , is an attempt to cover their own back and nothing to do with victims . They’d already tried to smear her 5 years ago.

This!!

I used to think that to be a royalist you had to be a bit stupid ( I still think that )

Your phrasing cracked me up.

In prison or out with a Trump pardon - neither means safety for Ghislaine

@BeeWitchy I'm sure she lives life looking over her shoulder and will do as long as she lives, regardless of surroundings.

For sure it was set up. JE’s main business was kompromat.

It makes sense that JE would set it up. Just shows how neive or overly trusting Andrew actually is.
By the time the photo was taken questions were already being asked.

JE must have had dirt on everyone.

Of course they did! They have known about this for many years and have done nothing about until now. Did you forget about the small matter of QE paying VG off?

It’s not true to say the RF did nothing.
They took away all his “jobs” (trade envoy, military patronages etc), made him shut down Pitch at Palace and give back his apartment at Buckingham Palace, stop using the HRH title, and stop getting whatever share of the Sovereign Grant he used to get for performing official duties. He was also excluded from most family occasions. Effectively they banished him to his house with nothing to do and nowhere to go.

The question is whether they should have gone further and taken away his last remaining titles and his house earlier. That is easy in hindsight but at the time it was not so obvious. We forget that we know a lot more now about AMW’s relationship with Epstein and Maxwell than we did 15 years ago. It has been a very slow drip feed - first a photo back in 2011, then more specific allegations in 2014, then nothing much new until the Newsnight interview in 2019, then Virginia Giuffre’s civil lawsuit in 2021 and the settlement in 2022. And then nothing much new until revelations from the Epstein files and Nobody’s Girl this year, in particular the bombshell email from AMW which showed he had lied to everyone about ending his relationship with Epstein in 2010, and the emails which showed that his ex-wife had been much closer to Epstein than anyone had realised.

Listening to a previous protection officer I was stunned. Nothing in his behaviour went unchecked & he abused staff from a very young age. The seeds were sown. Did the late Queen suspect some kind of personality disorder & this the reason everything went unchecked from childhood? They did ‘nothing’ from a young age & the behaviour got progressively worse.

@Postcardsender

Nonsense .

The Windsors and their acolytes have known since at least 2011 .
Stopping pitch at palace ?? Did they make Andrew reveal all the back handlers and return the money? The queen was repeatedly told and warned about Andrew’s behaviour both sexual and financial - she did nothing .

As for the titles being removed - more bullshit.
There is one thing and one thing only the Windsors had to do . The same thing the rest of us have to do - open the door to the police and allow the law to take its course .
The rest of the frills and folderols is meaningless distraction designed to fool the stupid

When papers were being attempted to be served the gates to royal lodge were locked . When they kept trying to serve them Andrew was whisked away to balmoral.

Once the money was paid William and Charles made repeated attempts to support Andrew’s rehabilitation. He was paraded in his Garter curtains, he was regularly photographed in the front seat beside William.
William and Kate even let it be known that they’d rather have Andrew as a neighbour than Harry!

The only reason that the Windsors are attempting more meaningless distraction is because unlike generations ago the Windsors cannot control all information. And Virginia’s book and Andrew Lownie’s book are being talked about

Can we investigate the numerous links the whole Windsor clan has to prolific pedophiles now , finally?

@PinkPanther57 I read Entitled and I was appalled by the sum total of his behaviour over the years. You see it all written down in one place and there is no other reaction possible. However very few people probably had that encompassing perspective of him in all aspects of his life, and therefore could see the patterns. He had frequently absentee parents, a big age gap with his older siblings, and spent years away from home at school or in the Navy. I imagine his family probably put some of his ‘antics’ as a youth down to a “phase”, thinking he would grow out of it and never imagining things would progress as they did.

Now that Andrew is a commoner what is preventing the files of his years representing the UK as Trade Envoy being opened?

Good question !

There’s something deeply disturbing for me about a laminated sheet about 71 teddies in order & position. Maids were taken to task, shouted at etc if moved to wrong position. That speaks of something beyond OCD to me.

@Postcardsender

Oh so it’s all someone’s else fault ?

We see you

And it was all known about . The Windsors see nothing wrong with Andrew’s behaviour. They all have secrets - in fact there is talk that if some of that comes out the Windsors are finished .
I think they are finished regardless .

Prince Phillip wasn’t role modelling well at home either. The rudeness to staff & according to Lownie numerous infidelities…SF’s mother included!

@Ukisgaslit

Are you a Russian troll? You sound like one.

I am no defender of AMW. I have read every page of Entitled and Nobody’s Girl and if even half of what is written is true, he is an appalling, appalling person.

You say “let the police in”. The Met has already looked at AMW three times in recent years, plus the current investigation into him asking his PPO to run checks on Virginia Giuffre.
To prosecute him they need good evidence that he actually committed a crime under UK law and that the UK is the appropriate place to charge him. The last thing they want is him claiming he is “exonerated” because a case fails to stand up in court. For example, if new evidence emerges from the Epstein files that AMW pre-arranged with Epstein to bring Virginia (or others) over to the UK in 2001, they could perhaps get him on sex trafficking, but there’s a risk his defence team could successfully argue the UK doesn’t have jurisdiction over an arrangement made in the US.

In terms of Pitch@Palace - Lownie makes some allegations in his book that Andrew got commission when some of the start up companies raised investment. That sounds venal and massively inappropriate but it is not a crime (commission on investments is a very common industry practice), and it’s also not necessarily something other RF members would have reason to have known about at the time. Chinese commissions - again stupid, massively inappropriate, politically and ethically compromising, but not necessarily illegal either. Lownie makes a good case as to why greater transparency is the best disinfectant in preventing this kind of behaviour and I am sure that William is planning reforms to limit what RF members can do commercially and make their finances more transparent.

I’ve already explained in detail how and why we knew almost nothing in 2011 compared to what we know now, so I won’t do it again.

He had sex with his wife's mother? He's not going to have said no to any little boys that were served up to him then is he.

@Postcardsender

lol - I’ve had that attack before . Russian troll indeed!
Do you also attack the hourly posters on the royal threads as being royal plants?

Your post has echoes of all the other Andrew apologists I’ve seen on here- they’ve all skulked away in recent weeks

You appear confused though.

You say ‘we know more now’ that true - thanks to Lownies book and Virginias . But the Windsors have known for a decade and have done next to nothing and in fact they have made repeated attempts to rehabilitate Andrew .

The only reason they are doing the little they are doing now is precisely because WE know.

Do you see the difference?

Ps When will Andrew answer police questions because he hasn’t done that despite swearing to on the BBC . He ran and was hidden.