New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

[Muffinmam]

Last night an episode of 60 Minutes (Australia) aired and an allegation was
made that it wasn’t just girls who were trafficked to Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor by Ghislane and Epstein - there were also young boys.

I’ve included the link below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-9SfptZlU&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

This allegation never made it into the book because the writer never had a second witness to concur. However, he revealed it in the 60 Minutes interview last night and 60 Minutes aired what is a defamatory allegation - which makes me think that 60 Minutes felt confident it was true (otherwise their lawyers would have killed the story). It was a very short reference but British Police need to interview Ghislane as to Andrew’s other victims.

Further, AIBU to think that the Royal Protection officers should be made to answer questions as to criminality involving Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor?

Also, how can Beatrice & Eugenie still support their disgusting father after everything we know? Do they not care about their own children? Particularly Beatrice’s young step son. Hopefully Andrew is not allowed anywhere near this boy.

Prince Phillip wasn’t role modelling well at home either. The rudeness to staff & according to Lownie numerous infidelities…SF’s mother included!

@PinkPanther57 Indeed - so much of this awful story is about learned behaviour and trauma handed down over generations. Virginia Giuffre’s tragedy started long before she met Epstein, at the hands of her father and neighbour. She says in her book that she believed that Epstein had also been abused as a child. Ghislaine Maxwell’s father was also well known to be an abusive bully.

At the same time, it’s worth saying that not everyone with abusive or unfaithful parents turns out that way themselves. By all accounts the current Duke of Edinburgh, who was raised alongside AMW by the same parents, is decent guy and a good husband/father.

@Ukisgaslit

I can’t imagine why multiple people think you are a Russian troll.

It might help if you got your ‘facts’ straight. Most of them seem made up. They don’t help your cause.

Absolutely. Of course they knew. I hope there will be a thorough, independent investigation.

I am sure that William is planning reforms to limit what RF members can do commercially and make their finances more transparent.
Is that irony or satire??

Regarding potential sex crimes involving AMW in England.

I've posted this before, as have others.

VG was over the age of consent, so not illegal, revolting as his behaviour was.

Trafficking legislation was introduced in England and Wales in 2003- two years after the VG incident. It cannot be applied retrospectively.

Had AMW been foolish enough to carry on with this behaviour after 2003, and if there is sufficient evidence, and there are credible victims willing to come forward, I suppose that could be a different matter.

How on earth does objecting to this highly entitled and privileged apparent nonce get away with trafficking-related crimes , and to the entire royal family's efforts to cover it up and pay off the victims, make someone a Russian troll?

You sound as though you lick the Daily Mail for breakfast every day.

@APTPT

Ive seen it before . Royalists ( usually prefaced with ‘I’m not a royalist BUT) will wait until the outcry fades then start trying smear posters critical of the Windsors.

They also often say ‘Andrew is vile BUT…

It’s a pointless PR attempt

Oh I missed this

Multiple people ? How would you know what ‘multiple people’ think of my posts ??

Tell me what has been made up please

I just keep thinking why have they stripped him of everything NOW? Why not ages ok if reasons are supposedly based on the Epstein parties etc.
I said to my DH i thought there was something else on its way and thats why they have dramatically cut him out !

@Mama2many73 According to Andrew Lownie there is more on its way. He’s getting calls from up to 3 different people a day whom know things about Andrew but were afraid to come forward sooner.

@Mama2many73

Yes exactly - big brain thinking

Ask yourself why now .

I see two aspects to this

1. for me personally and for most people I’d say- stripping the ‘titles’ is window dressing . If the Windsors had allowed the papers to be served instead of locking gates and using tax payer funded protection teams to protect Andrew - I wouldn’t have an argument . But the rule of law has not been followed as it would be for you or I.
2. Why now ? The Windsors have protected Andrew for well over a decade . They continue to protect him. The answer to why now is that the public knows more now. If we didn’t know they wouldn’t do a thing - just as they didn’t do a thing for a decade or more

The one time vague respect I had for the RF is now gone. In fact I think I'd laugh in the face of any of them at a ribbon cutting now. They are getting closer to irrelevance. Imagine the spectacle of this lot of cover uppers strolling down the lane to church on Christmas morning nodding and smiling to their adoring fans. They have necks like a rhino.

Charles Christmas Day speech will be interesting to say the least of it. Annus Horribilis again.

I look at them all and ask What lies beneath?

That’s just an abusive and controlling person who sets up ridiculous situations so people fail and they then believe they have free rein to discharge their constant internal anger by ranting, raving and raging at them.

True, but how many grown men have 71 teddies in position on their bed they’re precious about. Deeply odd.

Do people really believe every detail printed from 'royal insiders' and 'sources close to' ?

I take everything with a pinch of salt.

No but Lownie’s research is impeccable.

You yourself said that it’s not the first time you’ve been attacked for being a Russian troll.

You can hate the Royal Family all you like but making stuff up just makes you look bad. (And very like a Russian troll.)

Here’s just one example. You said “Ps When will Andrew answer police questions because he hasn’t done that despite swearing to on the BBC . He ran and was hidden.”

Do you have any actual evidence that AMW is or was ever on the run from the police? That he has resisted arrest or refused to attend a police station for interview under caution? (If you are talking about the lawyers trying to serve civil suit papers at Royal Lodge, they were not police and that was not a criminal investigation. And the papers were eventually served anyway, as they always are.)

And the way, making other wild unsubstantiated statements like “the whole Windsor clan has numerous links to paedophiles”, you are also liable to a civil suit yourself, for libel. Although I suppose on the upside, Russian trolls are even harder to serve…

I agree with you on the financial stuff - that seems very well researched and there’s a lot of detail.

But he and his publishers have also been forced to retract at least one claim in the book (about Melania Trump), and there are a few other things towards the end of the book which also seem much more like gossip than facts that would stand up in court.

Yes, I can imagine that’s always going to be much harder to verify absolutely.

Charles certainly has links to some paedophiles, that's not libellous. Jimmy Savile, Peter Ball and Laurens van der Post. Off the top off my head.

@Postcardsender KC - Jimmy Savile, Laurens van der Post, Peter Ball.
van der Post fathered a child with a 14 year old girl.
Lord Louis Mountbatten- Kincora Boys Home in Belfast.

@Postcardsender

Yes calling critics trolls is a tired trope that I’ve had before . You are the first to repeatedly call me a ‘Russian troll’ - others have said ‘labour / socialist ‘ etc

So is trying to threaten posters with being sued for expressing an opinion.

You are probably unaware that what you are doing is against the site rules but I’m happy for your comments to stand because they are ridiculous and revealing .

If you seriously think a poster on mumsnet who is tearing strips off the corrupt Windsors is a Russian troll I can’t help you . Touch grass maybe

As for your defence of Andrew - there have been calls for the MET to ‘look again ‘ at their response to the Andrew situation . These calls describe what has happened as ‘two tier justice’. I agree with that .
You clearly know about the civil case being blocked from serving papers .
It was when a judge in New York said he would accept the server giving the papers to the policeman that the ball was rolling for the pay off .

Now you say I have no basis for my belief that the Windsor clan has numerous links to pedophiles
We know about Andrew ans Epstein .
Charles was close to Saville .
Charles defended and housed Peter ball - a bishop who was a convicted pedophile and sex offender
Mountbatten has been described as a ‘prolific pedophile’ but was known as ‘dear uncle Dickie ‘ to the Windsors

I don’t know about your family but to me that’s disturbing

According to A Lownie's book, on a couple of occasions Beatrice accompanied her father on his very dodgy visits to Kazakhstan and, as somebody remarked upthread, that part of the story is going to be a bombshell when it all comes out. Major graft. Additionally £750,000 was donated to pay for her wedding by a Turkish businessman in exchange for 'help' with processing his passport.
I don't know how much she was complicit in, but I think she certainly had her nose in the trough. At the very least she should have asked more questions.

Didn’t Beatrice get married during covid when large groups weren’t permitted so I can’t see where it would cost £750,000. She even used one of the queens dresses as her wedding gown