The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

I accept there may have been mass stabbings committed in the UK by British born white (notionally Christian) men, but I honestly can’t recall any, nor can I find any references to any on Google.

Individual white UK men have committed mass murder using guns or, in the case of Shipman, medication.

That isn’t better or worse, it’s just a preference for a different means of mass murder.

Additionally, mass death by targeted vehicle attack seems to be a means used more by Islamic terrorists than Christian ones, not just here but across Europe too.

White, notionally Christian men intent on mass murder appear to prefer to keep a distance between them and their victims if the means of death is anything other than injectable.

It isn't racist to speculate. I didn't see any direct accusations other than the very persistent one blaming Newcastle football fans.

As of yet, no one has been murdered in this attack

Agree - as for our NHS staff, numbers of doc training places were cut by the tories, despite being warned not to do it by the BMA because it would cause a shortage in the future, which of course is now. I remember about 10 years ago British students, brilliant kids not being able to get on a training place because it costs the gov too much. Far cheaper to import them.

The same tories actually got rid of bursaries for nurses, midwives, radiographers.. and it was a fall in numbers in response.

It's all been done by our government to save money and people still blame immigration! It's absolutely nuts.

She's just a poor innocent "concerned citizen" don't you know?

Why would you be speculating about immigration status whilst the bodies are warm and family are dealing with pain? That’s just ghoulish. I think yiu are the one needs to sit down, etc etc.

The police didn't call it a terrorist incident.

They said the counter terrorism unit was assisting.

The length of time taken to release information is because the police are busy establishing the facts of the matter, supporting victims, and securing the crime scene. One of the men arrested has since been released as it's been established he had no involvement.

It is not to do with some conspiracy theory about keeping information suppressed. The police need time to do the right work to ensure the right people are prosecuted (successfully) for the right crime.

The public are not entitled to a blow by blow detail of a live, fast-moving investigation. It diverts essential resources away from the police and runs a very high risk of innocent individuals being painted as criminals.

Yes they did.

The incident was initially designated a "Code Plato," which is used for marauding terror attacks.

Then that was rescinded.

Oh, well, if it's not direct racism then that's ok then.

Is a mass shooting better than a mass stabbing? You have a bizarre morality.

I believe that code is used in situations where multiple people are at risk INCLUDING terrorist attacks, not exclusively

I don't need to be persuaded that white men commit crimes. It's not an either/or.

Yes, because they have to assume the worst when rushing to situations like this and get all resources on board. There is no time to get there, ponder the situation and then decide what resource you need.

That does not mean it was classified as a terrorist incident.

I think I saw on the news 'Suspected terrorism' in the early reportings.

Quick work, Nestingbirds! You’ve been noted, and not just by me.

It is my understanding that I have answered your questions. Your insistence that speculation is racism suggests that it would be fruitless to engage with you any further. I will repeat though, that people who have never been subjected to racism frequently call it out where none exists.

is it racist of sexist to say two black men have been arrested? don't get it? it's fact?

This. It was the talk of work, I had to walk away more times than I care to think of. The 'import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world' was ranted over and over. There is no arguing with them at the moment, this was staff and customers.

I’m not justifying anything. I’m sharing the facts from MI5. PP was making false claims. Look up the number of people killed (well over 100) and thousands injured by extremist Islamic terrorists since 2000. That doesn’t include the British killed by Islamists on 9/11 when 2976 people were killed and thousands more injured.

Here you go, a bit more detail.

Terrorist ideologies
Islamist terrorism
Islamist terrorism is the most significant terrorist threat to the UK by volume.
Islamist terrorists are generally driven by an extreme interpretation of Islam or perceived grievances against ‘the West’, particularly those propagated by terrorist groups such as Daesh (also referred to as ISIL, ISIS or the Islamic State) or al-Qaeda. Much of the volume of the threat is from individuals who have self-radicalised, seeking to carry out attacks using unsophisticated or low-sophistication methodologies. Generally, individuals will decide themselves to conduct an attack, rather than the attack being directed or controlled by a terrorist group. This can make it harder to identify terrorist activity.
There also remains an enduring threat from overseas terrorist groups which seek to inspire, support or enable attacks and which retain an intent to conduct sophisticated attacks.

www.mi5.gov.uk/what-we-do/countering-terrorism

People have 'forgotten' that though.
I've not seen any mass protests outside of churches through child abuse, or the outrage on white grooming gangs. The outrage is selective, more is the pity.

Now, if you're going to misrepresent what people say, it's best not to do it in plain sight. You know perfectly well what I meant. Are you suggesting that I am racist? If so, have the courage to say it openly.

Don't be so facetious. It is not racist to report the facts of the matter.

It is absolutely racist to start talking about "the usual suspects", talk of "importing the third world", saying "it's just their culture/ they smoke so much weed they become paranoid", and that "white women aren't safe from these animals" and that "they are all being prepped for a war against us, this is just the start" (all examples I have paraphrased from the previous and current threads).

Of course that's not racist. It's the rest of the stuff that gets spouted out that can be.

No, you said "I didn't see it", so apparently it can't have happened.