The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

Most of the Catholic priests are either convicted or dead but go and organise a protest if you think it would help 🤷‍♀️

There was a very recent change now for police to disclose ethnicity and immigration status to stop spreading misinformation. Doesn't seem to have helped!

Is it a hobby thing of yours to get the wrong end of the stick, or to twist words to try and win a point that had nothing to do with what I wrote? Ah, I suppose whatever makes you feel good about yourself, go for it.

Odd behaviour.

Rage-bait keeps people engaging which means more money.

What’s the relevance of this to people being overtly racist? Are you saying your copy and paste job is a justification for violence and hate aimed at an entire community?

It’ll be down to a mental health issue like schizophrenia or psychosis is my prediction and nothing to do with race or religion

Weird. I saw a lot of posts on X - not one mentioned a name. Maybe you’re in some groups where people have odd views on this?

Where did I say that?

You made this claim: Given far right wing/white suprematists are a growing and significant threat in this country not far behind other terror groups I think everyone should have waited to let the police do their job because it could have been anyone.

I provided you with the facts that contradict that. Sorry if you don’t like them.

They probably know a bloody sight more than you do. Doesn’t stop you speculating, does it?

Just to jog your memory as you may have forgotten what you posted earlier. You said:

Happyjoe · Today 22:09
People have 'forgotten' that though.
I've not seen any mass protests outside of churches through child abuse, or the outrage on white grooming gangs. The outrage is selective, more is the pity.

I pointed out how that is incorrect and unjustified. Now you’re pretending you don’t know what I’m talking about.

And was it a Muslim?!

Do you know what a mass protest is?
Have you not seen in the news the mass protests outside of mosques, asylum hotels?

It doesn’t contradict that in anyway.

www.poolre.co.uk/terrorism-threat-publications/report-the-current-state-of-extreme-right-wing-terrorism/

Far right/white supremacy is a massive threat alongside other forms which is why normal
people wouldn’t jump to the assumption that it was a Muslim or immigrant. That was my point.

Here you are posting random bits from Google about terror threats to justify the horrendous racist and vile attacks on Asian, black and ethnic minorities that have happened in the mere last 24 hours when we had no idea of the identity. You know what you’re doing.

@lifeonmars100 I think a lot of knobheads want to be like him - saying anything they feel like, spouting off policies written on the back of a fag packet that he would have hell of a job to carry through and yet inspire loyalty because ‘hey he likes a pint and is a complete xenophobe’ and yep he’s rich !! A quick trot round my original home town of Mansfield would give you some understanding why he feeds into the gullible - I hadn’t been back for 20 years and it was a real shock - centre is like the apocalypse compared to how it was- yet it actually doesn’t seem to have many immigrants - it does seem though to have a lot of blokes with ‘issues’ be it aggressive, booze or drugs -mainly white - I felt totally sorry for the women in the area .

Ok so I was brought up not by wolves but by communists. Specifically my mum who was an Irish republican Stalinist. The deep hatred towards the British was something to behold. Cheering and clapping when an IRA bomb went off in London even though her daughters were heading off to the west end for college/work. I understand this hatred and some of my cousins in Ireland still hold it in their bosoms. It’s pointless but it’s what’s going on now. What can we do about it? I don’t actually know if this is a hatred filled crime or if it’s a mental health issue but you need to be aware of how dangerous this indoctrination is.

I was in Mansfield about 4 weeks ago, not a place I tend to visit but ended up there due to some short term change in plans and your observations are spot on, what a benighted dump it is. I was quite shocked. Like you I had not been there for a while and it was way worse than I remember. I don't know who the MP is now but it used to be Ben Bradley, a Tory who once he had been elected did nothing for the town but was quite happy to insult his contituents saying that they would more than likely exchange children's food vouchers for crack or try to use them in a brothel. He earned himself the nickname of Crack Den Ben 😂 I would put money on Mansfield returning a Reform MP at the next election

Daily mail article on guy that got tasered and had nothing to do with it.
The comments section..lots of better to be safe than sorry etc.
Bet they wouldn't be so philosophical about it if they got zapped.
So even when innocent the racism shines through.

It isn't racist to call out the actual demographics committing these awful crimes for the most part. It may be men and this forum has no issue with threads saying most men are horrible bastards with a thread earlier talking about castrating them yet suddenly flings its arms up in faux outrage whenever religion or ethnicity is mentioned.

In 2023, 45% of knife crime offenders in London were Black, compared to 13.5% of the population—resulting in a per capita rate roughly 3.3 times higher than the city average. (For context, 53% of fatal stabbing victims were also Black, highlighting community impact.) For knife offences leading to charges, Black suspects comprised 47.4% of cases, vs. 36.5% White—yielding a per capita overrepresentation of about 3.5 times for Black individuals relative to London's demographics. Earlier Metropolitan Police data (2009–2010) showed 67% of violent street crime accusations against males were Black (vs. ~10.6% population share at the time). Sources include Home Office and Ministry of Justice reports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

Regarding muslims, 18 % of the Uk prison population are muslim despite representing just 6% of the population. They're overly represented in both violent and sexual criminal convictions. The GTI, based on the Global Terrorism Database (GTD) and proprietary tracking, provides annual ideological breakdowns. It estimates 145,000 total terrorism deaths globally from 2007–2023, with ~80% attributed to just 11 groups—nearly all Islamist extremists (e.g., ISIS and affiliates: ~39,000 deaths; Taliban: tens of thousands). For 2000–2006 (pre-GTI), deaths were lower (10,000–15,000 total per GTD estimates), but 9/11 alone (2,977 deaths) was Islamist-led, pushing the 25-year share higher.

People can keep crying and pearl clutching about "racists" but the stats speak for themselves. How many guys go around stabbing people in the Uk like we saw on the Huntingdon train called Dave Smith?

Peter Sutcliffe, Michael Ryan, Thomas Hamilton, Levi Belfield, Harold Shipman, Lucy Letby. Should I go on?

so your response to a thread with actual statistics on crime is a tiny list of people going back half a century to deflect away from reality. I'm sure you can find many more white killers, it doesn't change anything I said and the per capita data I've posted.

I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet but this post is v sensible.

None of those were mass stabbings. Sigh.

Whilst white British men are perfectly capable of committing the most heinous crimes, these tend not to be mass stabbing ones targeting random people they have never met before. For random mass murder a gun is a more usual weapon of choice.

White British men who stab multiple others tend to do it either to those they know (domestic violence/ workplace feud / gangland fallout or revenge), or in a drunken fight such as the two nightclub ones mentioned below.

Taken from Wikipedia (I know, I know…sigh), the list of UK random (as in not domestic violence, gangland, business, ongoing feuds or where the victims and perpetrator knew each other) mass stabbing events since 2000 are as follows:

2003 - Manchester - Kamel Bourgass (Algerian)
2004 - Green Lanes, London - Ismail Dogan [paranoid schizophrenic] (Iranian heritage?)
2015 - Leytonstone, London - Muhayadin Mire (Somalian)
2016 - Bloomsbury, London - Zakaria Bulhan (Norwegian, Somali heritage)
2017 - London Bridge - Khuram Butt, Rachid Redouane, Youssef Zaghba
2018 - Edmonton, London - Jason Kakaire [paranoid schizophrenic] (British(?) Black)
2018 - Victoria, Manchester - Mahdi Mohamud (Somalian)
2019 - Arndale, Manchester - Raphael Chevelleau (British(?), Black)
2019 - Fishmonger’s Hall - Usman Khan (British national, Pakistani heritage)
2020 - Reading - Khairi Saadallah (Libyan)
2020 - Glasgow - Badreddin Abadlla Adam (Sudan)
2020 - Birmingham - Zephaniah McLeod [paranoid scizophrenic] (British born, Black)
2023 - Nottingham - Valdo Calocane [paranoid schizophrenic] (Guinea-Bissau, West Africa)
2024 - Hainault, London - Marcus Arduini Monzo (Brazilian)
2024 - Southport - Axel Rudakubana (British born, Rwandan heritage)
2025 - Huntingdon - unknown name (British born, Black)

Wikipedia state this is an incomplete list, but frankly it’s late and I’m not inclined to do a detailed scour of the internet simply in order to prove to people who don’t wish to believe it, that random mass stabbings are not a typical crime for white British, notionally Christian, men.

There were two incidents listed where white British men had stabbed multiple strangers, and one with a mixed race British man. All of these were during a nightclub brawl. Whilst appalling and violent, that’s not quite the same as randomly running amok in the street with a knife. But, noted here nonetheless.
2016 - Bristol - Louis Holmes - (British (?) mixed race) nightclub brawl
2022 - Portsmouth - Charlie Ellins (British (?), white) nightclub brawl
2023 - Bodmin, Cornwall - Jake Hill (British, white) nightclub brawl
There were also a few incidences of both Black and white British men stabbing their partners and families. I haven’t included those, nor the gangland or drug running tit-for-tat feuds where both parties were known to each other.

My post was in direct reply to your question of “ how many guys called Dave Smith” go around stabbing people (or the equivalent)? Quite a lot. Nasty people come in every shade.

Oh, I’m sorry. Didn’t realise that the murder method was hierarchical.

You’re being deliberately disingenuous.

Crime types and the methods of crime are not evenly spread throughout the population of the UK. It is foolish to pretend this is the case.

Those found working in cannabis farms are overwhelmingly trafficked Vietnamese nationals. To pretend that they are not would be ridiculous. It would also hamper efforts to find, rescue and help them as well as to catch and punish the perpetrators.

Equally, pretending that white British men are just as likely to stab multiple random strangers with a knife as they are to shoot them actually hampers efforts to make targeted inroads into reducing violent crime.

If you’re serious about reducing crime you can’t ignore factual crime statistics just because they throw up uncomfortable truths.