Not an ordinary working person if you earn over 45k

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Disincentivising anyone to strive to earn over 45k a year is a bizarre strategy for growth i feel

Aibu?

Why should we direct anger at those earning millions? I have no beef with people at the top earning well. Good luck to them.

Exactly.

The benefit bill is too high and the country in debt
People need to earn more and pay taxes

If you have time for OU you have time to work till your disabled child moves out.

Then you could do a degree. That’s what a lot of people do when they have commitments.

Decent employers absolutely give promotions and pay rises for hard work if it leads to tangible results.

You seem to have a very strange view of the world of work.

@NorthXNorthWest Do you mean you can't build a rapport with an interviewer?

Yes.

Cannot talk about experience relevant to the job or any achievements in your previous role?

I find it difficult to mould previous experience and achievements to the random nonsense questions that come up. And I generally feel that no one cares about the previous experience and achievements that I talk about.

Or why you want the new role?

This point I feel is generally OK if it's a job I'm particularly interested in.

It's a very convenient excuse always used by those who failed. There are tons of examples IRL, incl many posters here, who grew up very poor but manager to do really well with no connections and support. I'd even dare to say that the main predictor of success is not even intelligence as such but drive. Driven people usually succeed, not instantly, but they do. Those who aren't driven go through life blaming others

Who said my children who are disabled will be able to live independently? They will likely be with me into adulthood. So no, I won't be waiting until they've become adults to do a degree. I might be dead due to the stress of caring for them by that point.

I work in higher education, the pay is low but I'm making a difference with students. Many low paid jobs are extremely important (more than some more highly paid jobs I'm sure!) It's sad that salary is seen as the only measure of success for some people.

My ds was struggling with interviews. So he found a career coach and he practiced as well on his own. Just practice.

Absolutely
Those earning millions are paying for the benefits others receive and we have no reason to be angry with them

I’m angry at those who don’t hold down a full time job when they could
Im angry at those who see no problem in others paying for them to not work

I’m fine with full time workers

So basically you feel you are above working.

I am assuming as you have not mentioned it that you have not taken any steps to improve your interview skills?

Promotion for hard work like cleaning toilets? no they don't. But they absolutely do give promotions for smart work and delivering value. I promoted tens of people during my career, with anything between 20-50% salary increases. Every single time this was for cases when employee was operating at the next level of the ladder.

Me neither. As long as some earns their money honestly then why would I have an issue with them. They are propping up the welfare, health etc systems for those who cannot fully support themselves, possibly employing people.

Precisely. I’m in a role where I went to uni to get that role and earn significantly less than £45k despite being in a management role and working hard. My husband on the other hand gets £50k plus bonuses and didn’t graduate!

Kudos to you. Glad we are both on the same page. My DH and I grew up in India with barely anything but moved here and made a success for ourselves.

Our kids look up to us.

That's only if there's a ladder in place...

@shuggles you just need to believe in yourself. You sound as if you have a lot to offer.

Exactly this. Just taking cash from the state and having the luxury of being a student!

@NorthXNorthWest So basically you feel you are above working.

Nonsense. I have done dirty jobs that the average mumsnetter would be terrified of.

I am assuming as you have not mentioned it that you have not taken any steps to improve your interview skills?

I have taken steps, but have not been successful at improving interview skills. Sorry, I don't have the gift of bullshitting that many people have.

A lot of it isn't intelligence and commitment. Even professional jobs vary a lot in salary. I have a 1st class degree,work a professional job, have 30yr experience, no child breaks, senior in my role, work extremely hard.
I will never earn 45k. Yet others are saying they are on 45k a few years out of uni

Why do you keep saying it’s bullshitting? It isn’t. Stop undermining other people because they can do something you can’t.

You misinterpreted my post. I do agree with you completely that many lower paid jobs are extremely important.
But if you work in education I believe you knew that it's lower paid profession and went there because of other reasons. Even then you can make significant extra money by tutoring.
I'm talking about people who don't hold FT jobs (unless truly significant health issues within family) or who stay in low paid jobs whilst wanting more.

Sorry, I admit I just saw it in isolation. I'm not an academic, I work in support. You're right too that I'm not there for the money!

So all those people who got the jobs you unsuccessfully applied for only got them because of bullshitting? nothing else? and you have all skills apart from bullshitting?

You're prime example of why people fail.

‘You get paid for the value you deliver’

Are you sure about that?

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/thames-water-chris-weston-pollution-pay-debt-utility-b1238167.html

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/home-office-boss-paid-over-455000-despite-record-boat-migrants-35zjc70rk

(just a couple of examples)